Conservative confusion over schools

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Your use of the word “obsessive” is ridiculous.

Can we return to talking about how Ron DeSantis wants to ban AP curriculum from Florida schools because they’re too “woke?” What do you think of that? Personally I think that’s “hold my beer” territory.

The use of the word "obsessive" is right on target, which you would know if you bothered to read any of the links from FCPS provided throughout this thread. Teacher trainings and professional development days are devoted to "anti-bias/racism," and social justice initiatives. Not to, say, beefing up academic instruction. Nope. That's entirely secondary (if that) to FCPS and so many other public school systems. The focus now is on making sure "anti-bias" training is front and center in all aspects of school. Forget about emphasizing reading, spelling, writing, grammar, math skills.

As for Ron DeSantis, I like much of what he's doing and think it's long overdue.

You realize that Fairfax County has a very diverse student body these days, right? As such, wouldn't training teachers to be able to address and manage the diversity be a good thing?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

All I see is a PP who said "how dare they emphasize anti-racism?" in response to another PP who was critical of that FCPS document, which has "Anti-Racism" in its title. And that slide deck does not advocate taking time away from math to specifically teach anti-racism. It's professional development for teachers to incorporate anti-racist principles into their existing curriculum.

DP. Excuse me while I vomit. Someone has clearly not bothered to actually read the linked FCPS document. So typical. I wasn't able to copy all of the rest of the idiocy, so this will have to suffice.

1. Expand and Deepen Efforts Across All Content Areas: Design Principles for Cultural Responsiveness and Social Justice Standards
2. Topical Anti-Bias Lessons: Explore requiring specific lessons on topics such as race, religion, ability, class, immigration, gender and sexuality

and?

Where is this taking away from reading, writing and 'rithmatic? What is the problem here?

Schrodinger’s Teacher - simultaneously focused on facts and anti-facts

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, back in the early 1990s before things were quite so polarized, a professor said to the class that public education is always political. Because it is funded by taxpayers and representative of society, which meant the idea that people or some people should shut up and accept the wisdom of the educational authorities as fiat was wrong.

Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours. I must admit I find the recent emphasis on inclusion a bit bizarre because it implies schools weren't inclusive places in the past. Is that really the case? I'm 42 years old so I can't speak to the 1950s but the 1990s weren't dark ages. I support greater tolerance, naturally, but at the same time it's obvious what is allowed within that tolerance has greatly narrowed too. I'm pretty liberal but I'm glad I was educated 30 years ago, not today, because everything I see of educational establishments tells me they have become increasingly politicized and ideologically close-minded.

Liberals: We want to give everyone a fair chance.
Conservatives: Public education is too woke, so let's remove the books from the shelves and deny racism exists in our history and culture

bOtH sIdEs

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Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours.

I mean, "no" to the bolded. If their concerns are that kids shouldn't be required to get vaccinated because they believe hokum about vaccines causing autism or making people magnetic or something about Bill Gates, and my concerns are that evolution should be taught as accepted science and young earth theories should be rejected, then conservative concerns "aren't just as valid and important as mine."

Maybe you'll say not *those* conservative concerns and not *those* liberal concerns. But, even so, that means you can't really use a broad brush to say which concerns are "just as valid and important" as the other.

There are people that believe that gender ideology is as much hokum as the idea that vaccines cause autism, yet there are books for young children that teach the tenets of gender identity to young kids in some public schools. You can’t say, oh MY side is the science-based one but then ignore the outright mythology that passes for fact by a lot of leftists.

The science behind gender identity is sound. You just don't agree with it because clearly you have never studied it. That doesn't make it wrong or invalid.

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Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours.

I mean, "no" to the bolded. If their concerns are that kids shouldn't be required to get vaccinated because they believe hokum about vaccines causing autism or making people magnetic or something about Bill Gates, and my concerns are that evolution should be taught as accepted science and young earth theories should be rejected, then conservative concerns "aren't just as valid and important as mine."

Maybe you'll say not *those* conservative concerns and not *those* liberal concerns. But, even so, that means you can't really use a broad brush to say which concerns are "just as valid and important" as the other.

There are people that believe that gender ideology is as much hokum as the idea that vaccines cause autism, yet there are books for young children that teach the tenets of gender identity to young kids in some public schools. You can’t say, oh MY side is the science-based one but then ignore the outright mythology that passes for fact by a lot of leftists.

I think that, eventually, a lot of the sex and gender essentialism we see these days will be held in the same regard as the race essentialism we saw back in the 19th century.

This. And pretty much everyone with a brain under the age of 25 agrees 100% with this statement.

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Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours.

I mean, "no" to the bolded. If their concerns are that kids shouldn't be required to get vaccinated because they believe hokum about vaccines causing autism or making people magnetic or something about Bill Gates, and my concerns are that evolution should be taught as accepted science and young earth theories should be rejected, then conservative concerns "aren't just as valid and important as mine."

Maybe you'll say not *those* conservative concerns and not *those* liberal concerns. But, even so, that means you can't really use a broad brush to say which concerns are "just as valid and important" as the other.

There are people that believe that gender ideology is as much hokum as the idea that vaccines cause autism, yet there are books for young children that teach the tenets of gender identity to young kids in some public schools. You can’t say, oh MY side is the science-based one but then ignore the outright mythology that passes for fact by a lot of leftists.

The science behind gender identity is sound. You just don't agree with it because clearly you have never studied it. That doesn't make it wrong or invalid.

The “science”….
Behind the idea that society should subjectively define gender based on unknowable subjective realities inside people’s heads….

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

Not an answer, try again. Show us a school curriculum that has directly replaced the math class with anti-tacism class. If you can't probe the claim, then stop making the claim.

No one is claiming that there is an actual class called "equity" or "CRT". We are saying it is in the messaging, the discussions, the activities.

You're eventually going to shift your argument from "it's not happening" to "it's good and right that it is happening." The left generally no longer denies teaching "restorative justice" etc.

LMAO! You're the one backpedaling. Above it was directly claimed that anti-racism was being taught in place of math.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math.

And now you're backpedaling. Please stop embarrasing yourself.

DP. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would recognize that the PP was not being literal. JFC. If a school curriculum is making room for "equity studies/anti-racism, etc" then they are in effect taking time out of the day that should be used for ACTUAL ACADEMICS. It is YOU who should be embarrassed for your obvious lack of critical thinking skills.

LMAO yea sure, "uhhh the poster wuz not being literal." What a bunch of bullshit. You trot in here and make direct and specific claims that equity etc is being taught in place of math (not in place of any other subject, math was specifically mentioned). Without giving any actual examples, any evidence, without anything talking about how much time was devoted to equity versus other subjects, NOTHING.

You're just flinging around halfassed opinions and when you get called on it you start flailing about critical thinking skills. How about YOU apply some critical thinking skill and realize that nobody is taking you seriously for just throwing around halfassed "not literal" bullshit and that if you want anyone to actually think critically about anything you have to say you'd better STFU and come back when you actually have some facts and evidence to support your claims ad accusations.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

Not an answer, try again. Show us a school curriculum that has directly replaced the math class with anti-tacism class. If you can't probe the claim, then stop making the claim.

No one is claiming that there is an actual class called "equity" or "CRT". We are saying it is in the messaging, the discussions, the activities.

You're eventually going to shift your argument from "it's not happening" to "it's good and right that it is happening." The left generally no longer denies teaching "restorative justice" etc.

LMAO! You're the one backpedaling. Above it was directly claimed that anti-racism was being taught in place of math.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math.

And now you're backpedaling. Please stop embarrasing yourself.

DP. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would recognize that the PP was not being literal. JFC. If a school curriculum is making room for "equity studies/anti-racism, etc" then they are in effect taking time out of the day that should be used for ACTUAL ACADEMICS. It is YOU who should be embarrassed for your obvious lack of critical thinking skills.

LMAO yea sure, "uhhh the poster wuz not being literal." What a bunch of bullshit. You trot in here and make direct and specific claims that equity etc is being taught in place of math (not in place of any other subject, math was specifically mentioned). Without giving any actual examples, any evidence, without anything talking about how much time was devoted to equity versus other subjects, NOTHING.

You're just flinging around halfassed opinions and when you get called on it you start flailing about critical thinking skills. How about YOU apply some critical thinking skill and realize that nobody is taking you seriously for just throwing around halfassed "not literal" bullshit and that if you want anyone to actually think critically about anything you have to say you'd better STFU and come back when you actually have some facts and evidence to support your claims ad accusations.

Yes, I think the posters that threw around accusations of "equity instead of math" need to come back with some more details and specifics, not this handwavey nonsense about "well if they're teaching about equity it MUST be at the expense of math or some other important class" - like start with some info and specific examples of how much equity is being taught - is it one hour, ten hours, a thousand hours, one second, what? And is it being incorporated into other coursework, like a reading in English class as is often done - and thus NOT at the expense of other classwork? These details and aspects actually matter if you intend to actually have a genuine discussion of the topic, as opposed to just making vague disingenuous handwavey accusations.

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Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours.

I mean, "no" to the bolded. If their concerns are that kids shouldn't be required to get vaccinated because they believe hokum about vaccines causing autism or making people magnetic or something about Bill Gates, and my concerns are that evolution should be taught as accepted science and young earth theories should be rejected, then conservative concerns "aren't just as valid and important as mine."

Maybe you'll say not *those* conservative concerns and not *those* liberal concerns. But, even so, that means you can't really use a broad brush to say which concerns are "just as valid and important" as the other.

There are people that believe that gender ideology is as much hokum as the idea that vaccines cause autism, yet there are books for young children that teach the tenets of gender identity to young kids in some public schools. You can’t say, oh MY side is the science-based one but then ignore the outright mythology that passes for fact by a lot of leftists.

I think that, eventually, a lot of the sex and gender essentialism we see these days will be held in the same regard as the race essentialism we saw back in the 19th century.

This. And pretty much everyone with a brain under the age of 25 agrees 100% with this statement.

It has certainly been interesting to watch the young women of TikTok exploding with their objections to gender ideology, now that TikTok does not automatically remove those videos.

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Separation of church and state

Otherwise we tax those churches

More importantly keep your crap Cristian thoughts out of schools

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

All I see is a PP who said "how dare they emphasize anti-racism?" in response to another PP who was critical of that FCPS document, which has "Anti-Racism" in its title. And that slide deck does not advocate taking time away from math to specifically teach anti-racism. It's professional development for teachers to incorporate anti-racist principles into their existing curriculum.

DP. Excuse me while I vomit. Someone has clearly not bothered to actually read the linked FCPS document. So typical. I wasn't able to copy all of the rest of the idiocy, so this will have to suffice.

1. Expand and Deepen Efforts Across All Content Areas: Design Principles for Cultural Responsiveness and Social Justice Standards
2. Topical Anti-Bias Lessons: Explore requiring specific lessons on topics such as race, religion, ability, class, immigration, gender and sexuality

and?

Where is this taking away from reading, writing and 'rithmatic? What is the problem here?

You realize there are only so many hours in the day, right? And that students are already shuttled to and from various "specials," assemblies, recess, lunch, etc. all day long? So now we're cramming their education into even *smaller* increments so as to make room for social justice instruction. Stop being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

All I see is a PP who said "how dare they emphasize anti-racism?" in response to another PP who was critical of that FCPS document, which has "Anti-Racism" in its title. And that slide deck does not advocate taking time away from math to specifically teach anti-racism. It's professional development for teachers to incorporate anti-racist principles into their existing curriculum.

DP. Excuse me while I vomit. Someone has clearly not bothered to actually read the linked FCPS document. So typical. I wasn't able to copy all of the rest of the idiocy, so this will have to suffice.

1. Expand and Deepen Efforts Across All Content Areas: Design Principles for Cultural Responsiveness and Social Justice Standards
2. Topical Anti-Bias Lessons: Explore requiring specific lessons on topics such as race, religion, ability, class, immigration, gender and sexuality

and?

Where is this taking away from reading, writing and 'rithmatic? What is the problem here?

You realize there are only so many hours in the day, right? And that students are already shuttled to and from various "specials," assemblies, recess, lunch, etc. all day long? So now we're cramming their education into even *smaller* increments so as to make room for social justice instruction. Stop being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous.

You're the one being vague, handwavey and disingenuous. Without details and specifics you are in a hole and aren't getting anywhere in this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

All I see is a PP who said "how dare they emphasize anti-racism?" in response to another PP who was critical of that FCPS document, which has "Anti-Racism" in its title. And that slide deck does not advocate taking time away from math to specifically teach anti-racism. It's professional development for teachers to incorporate anti-racist principles into their existing curriculum.

DP. Excuse me while I vomit. Someone has clearly not bothered to actually read the linked FCPS document. So typical. I wasn't able to copy all of the rest of the idiocy, so this will have to suffice.

1. Expand and Deepen Efforts Across All Content Areas: Design Principles for Cultural Responsiveness and Social Justice Standards
2. Topical Anti-Bias Lessons: Explore requiring specific lessons on topics such as race, religion, ability, class, immigration, gender and sexuality

and?

Where is this taking away from reading, writing and 'rithmatic? What is the problem here?

You realize there are only so many hours in the day, right? And that students are already shuttled to and from various "specials," assemblies, recess, lunch, etc. all day long? So now we're cramming their education into even *smaller* increments so as to make room for social justice instruction. Stop being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous.

Please show where there is a separate "social justice" class that replaces the cores and existing specials.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, back in the early 1990s before things were quite so polarized, a professor said to the class that public education is always political. Because it is funded by taxpayers and representative of society, which meant the idea that people or some people should shut up and accept the wisdom of the educational authorities as fiat was wrong.

Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours. I must admit I find the recent emphasis on inclusion a bit bizarre because it implies schools weren't inclusive places in the past. Is that really the case? I'm 42 years old so I can't speak to the 1950s but the 1990s weren't dark ages. I support greater tolerance, naturally, but at the same time it's obvious what is allowed within that tolerance has greatly narrowed too. I'm pretty liberal but I'm glad I was educated 30 years ago, not today, because everything I see of educational establishments tells me they have become increasingly politicized and ideologically close-minded.

Liberals: We want to give everyone a fair chance.
Conservatives: Public education is too woke, so let's remove the books from the shelves and deny racism exists in our history and culture

bOtH sIdEs

You know public school systems are *also* removing books from the shelves if they are deemed inadequate in the promotion of social justice, right? Funny how no one talks about those books...

● Language Arts
○ Audit of book rooms & textbooks for diversity & inclusion

Social Studies
● Auditing existing resources for bias using tools centered in culturally responsive pedagogy; removing harmful resources

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

The removed Chika Chika Boom Boom. For the life of me, I cannot understand that, so given that threshold, maybe they shouldn't be removing any books. I mean, please show a successful government that bans books.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Links?

Stop wasting everyone's time - you're just going to say "meh not credible" regardless of the source and continue gaslighting like the denialist liar that you are.

So no links, got it. Moving on...

There are tons of links with evidence of violent threats to school board members in this thread here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/1059940.page