Oakton crash

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

Who told you that?

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

Who told you that?

Anonymous.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

Who told you that?

Anonymous.

Yeah, thought so. I doubt the spoiled rotten kid put a dime towards the car.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

He still likely needed parents to either pay a significant portion, or at least sign a loan. And makes no difference whatsoever to just how negligent he was in its use.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

A 16 yo can’t afford to buy that car with two years of earnings from a PT job. What a bunch of BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake lane has a 35 MPH speed limit but people regularly go 50 to 55 MPH. I was ticketed going 50 on Blake without even trying. I betting it was the rain and the BMW hydroplaned after the afternoon storm. Sad news for the kids. Oakton HS is my base school.

Congrats on regularly speeding near a school.

+1000

I hope the PP thinks twice before doing it again. Just because others do it doesn’t make it right. Goodness gracious.

NP here - are you familiar with Blake Lane? It's a 4-lane divided road - it's one of those places where it "feels" like the speed limit should be 45. And the school is nearby, not directly on Blake Lane. Please note - NONE of this excuses the reckless driving, but just pointing out - if you didn't know the school, you probably wouldn't know it was nearby.

Hmm.. to anyone who actually LIVES along Blake Lane, it sure doesn't "feel" like a 45 mph. It "feels" to me like my residential neighborhood where people need to effing slow down. Nothing bad will happen if it takes you a few more minutes to get to Chik-Fila. We are all responsible for creating a safe environment.

I live near this road too and I am amazed at the number of accidents that occur along it. It definitely needs traffic calming measures weather that means more lights and timing them so that you have to to stop every block or so in a way that forces drivers to think about another route if they are in a hurry (Vienna clearly does this and the effect I don’t drive through unless I absolutely have too.) or planting trees in the median which has been shown to gsr people to slow down. Look less like a highway and more like a neighborhood road.

Personally, I’m hoping that 66 construction completion will encourage more people to not cut through on Blake to Jermantown on the way to somewhere else.

The traffic is so bad on that road and with new development at the AT&T site it’s only going to get worse.

The community can petition for speed bumps.

We can't. VDOT only allows speed bumps on a road 25 mph or less, Blake is 35 mph in this area. We'd first have to petition VDOT to lower the speed limit, which I believe they will be extremely reluctant to do. If they did, they could install speed bumps or roundabouts (or more signals, as proposed above). But they'd first have to lower the speed limit. I think that's a great idea, but it's going to be a tough sell and require a TON of community support.

People may routinely speed on Blake Lane going 10-20 miles over the speed limit. Obviously not good for those living around Blake Ln. But, those kinds of speeding ranges are NOT what caused the accident here. So, I feel like those wanting traffic calming on Blake shouldn't be using this situation to support their case. The level of speeding here was apparently FAR BEYOND whatever is normally happening on Blake.

Maybe the elementary kid who was hit by a car last fall. I’m told he survived but was severely injured.

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Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

If the BMW was not speeding, it would not have ricocheted off the car and hit pedestrians. SPEED KILLS. If you are going to speed limit, you have time to react. OR, it would have been a 2 car accident with no pedestrian deaths.

The Post article describes the accident well. A witness said the BMW was driving really fast and blaring its horn as it approached the intersection where the Toyota has waited for the girls to cross. The bmw should have been driving slower so it could brake.

Blaring his horn when he should have been braking. He was just too important cruising at 80 MPH in his brand new BMW that daddy bought him. He couldn't be concerned with actually braking for anybody.

I don't even need to know him to know that this kid probably is more upset that his car is totaled than the fact that he has cut two lives short. I hope he gets significant jail time.

The original article quote the man whose lawn he sat on while waiting for the cops as "worried about how his dad would react to the crash." This while three girls are lying dead/dying on the pavement. It's just jaw dropping.

In fairness to the driver, he might not have realized what he'd done at that point, besides having totaled the car. He hit the girls after he'd already lost control of the car, and they weren't originally part of the picture since they had been on the sidewalk. It says he was (unsurprisingly) in shock after the incident, and he might not have taken the time to appraise the situation.

In fairness to the driver....he is responsible for the vehicular massacre of two 9th grade girls.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

No, sorry, it was a hand me down. You don't know what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - I do feel bad for everyone involved. The driver of the BMW didn’t intend to kill anyone. And the driver and his/her family will have to live with the consequences of the stupidity and recklessness of the actions forever. Of course, I feel immeasurably worse for the pedestrians and their families who did nothing wrong.

And I feel horrible for the Toyota driver, who was probably thinking if I just hadn’t taken the left turn… Poor guy.

For sure. He's thinking... if only I had left home 2 min. earlier... or 2 min. later, these two girls would be alive today.

so now is his fault?

He turned into the path of an oncoming car - a car with the right away.

BMW lost right of way by speeding. It's in the virginia code posted upthread.

Absolutely. Likely 2 charges of vehicular manslaughter, charge of reckless driving, speeding, and operating in an unsafe manner. Perhaps 15-20 years incarcerated.

I highly doubt that re: jail time. I'd expect a year or two at most, plus community service, and some period of probation. I wouldn't be surprised if he only had a few months of jail or home confinement. BMW driver will be portrayed as having a bright future, and that it was a tragedy all around, good kid, very sorry, etc, etc, ...family pays a lot in lawyer fees and some payment to girls' families. And he'll go on to college a lityle later.

You are dreaming if you think he'll get 15+years.

You sound like their family attorney. Are they that wealthy?

If they can afford a new BMW, they will put all their $$ on a good attorney who will make the case I just outlined.

It was a 2018. Where are you getting that it was a new BMW?

BMW 5 series from 2018 (for example 550ix) is around 40K if the car is in a solid condition. If they can afford a 40K car for their 18-years old son, they can find a good attorney.

The story goes he saved fir the past 2 years to afford the down payment himself. None of that matters now.

No, sorry, it was a hand me down. You don't know what you're talking about.

Why would a hand me down have temp tags? It was just purchased recently. Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative doesn’t mean it’s BS.

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Anonymous wrote:BMW driver's friends/family are on this thread, trying to sow doubt. Give it a rest.

This is obvious.

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Back to the BMW driver: where would he be now? Was he injured at all? Did he go to the hospital and released? Is he back home just-what? waiting for charges and to be arrested?
Have we confirmed he’s 18? Presumably his name will be released when charged? How long will it take to be charged?

Is his family bracing themselves for lawsuits and have their hired an attorney and or spokesperson?



Not at all the same thing but a neighbor was charged with a white collar crime and sat at home for months until his trial date.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the BMW driver: where would he be now? Was he injured at all? Did he go to the hospital and released? Is he back home just-what? waiting for charges and to be arrested?
Have we confirmed he’s 18? Presumably his name will be released when charged? How long will it take to be charged?

Is his family bracing themselves for lawsuits and have their hired an attorney and or spokesperson?



Not at all the same thing but a neighbor was charged with a white collar crime and sat at home for months until his trial date.

WaPo says they are waiting for the search warrant on the BMW telematics.

Probably just to confirm the accident simulation numbers.