Youngkin and TJ

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

OK. I'll jump in. The "huge favor" seems like wishful thinking, since the percentage of Asian students admitted dropped considerably and the "areas close to TJ" have the lowest number of Asian kids of any parts of the county.

But, I mean, if you have hard data to suggest there's been a big jump in the number of economically disadvantages Asian kids getting into TJ, as opposed to the big decline in the number of economically secure Asian kjds getting admitted, feel free to share.

Of course they don't have hard data. They just pull stuff out of thin air. So the so called 'reform' was meant to help poor Asian kids now? Was that a sick joke? Stuyvesant has a lot of poor Asian kids. But that didn't stop the democrats from seeing the racial makeup as a problem to solve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

OK. I'll jump in. The "huge favor" seems like wishful thinking, since the percentage of Asian students admitted dropped considerably and the "areas close to TJ" have the lowest number of Asian kids of any parts of the county.

But, I mean, if you have hard data to suggest there's been a big jump in the number of economically disadvantages Asian kids getting into TJ, as opposed to the big decline in the number of economically secure Asian kjds getting admitted, feel free to share.

Of course they don't have hard data. They just pull stuff out of thin air. So the so called 'reform' was meant to help poor Asian kids now? Was that a sick joke? Stuyvesant has a lot of poor Asian kids. But that didn't stop the democrats from seeing the racial makeup as a problem to solve.

Except these decisions are race blind so trying to pretend otherwise makes it clear you're just trying to fear monger and stir up trouble.

[Anonymous]

My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much better and less toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be against these modest changes that have helped make TJ great again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much better and less toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be against these modest changes that have helped make TJ great again.

My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much worse and more toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be for these racist changes that have helped make white students privileged again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

OK. I'll jump in. The "huge favor" seems like wishful thinking, since the percentage of Asian students admitted dropped considerably and the "areas close to TJ" have the lowest number of Asian kids of any parts of the county.

But, I mean, if you have hard data to suggest there's been a big jump in the number of economically disadvantages Asian kids getting into TJ, as opposed to the big decline in the number of economically secure Asian kjds getting admitted, feel free to share.

Of course they don't have hard data. They just pull stuff out of thin air. So the so called 'reform' was meant to help poor Asian kids now? Was that a sick joke? Stuyvesant has a lot of poor Asian kids. But that didn't stop the democrats from seeing the racial makeup as a problem to solve.

The more I listen to the conversations, the more I think that the "reformers" weren't trying to fix anything in TJ. It sounds more like they're shills who are being paid to convince people that the school system is run by incompetents and designed to serve only the utterly impoverished. If they can sell that image to Northern Virginia families, then people will be more likely to shell out for private schools, AoPS, RSM, and the like. There's a clear profit motive in that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much better and less toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be against these modest changes that have helped make TJ great again.

My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much worse and more toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be for these racist changes that have helped make white students privileged again.

Almost worked. Keep trying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much better and less toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be against these modest changes that have helped make TJ great again.

My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much worse and more toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be for these racist changes that have helped make white students privileged again.

Almost worked. Keep trying.

Says someone who let the point fly over their head because they aren't especially smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much better and less toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be against these modest changes that have helped make TJ great again.

My oldest child graduated from TJ last year but my youngest is a freshman now. I have to say the school is so much worse and more toxic because of the reforms. I can't imagine why anyone would be for these racist changes that have helped make white students privileged again.

Almost worked. Keep trying.

Just ignore the troll.

Sounds like teen with sour grapes.

[Anonymous]

FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

OK. I'll jump in. The "huge favor" seems like wishful thinking, since the percentage of Asian students admitted dropped considerably and the "areas close to TJ" have the lowest number of Asian kids of any parts of the county.

But, I mean, if you have hard data to suggest there's been a big jump in the number of economically disadvantages Asian kids getting into TJ, as opposed to the big decline in the number of economically secure Asian kjds getting admitted, feel free to share.

Of course they don't have hard data. They just pull stuff out of thin air. So the so called 'reform' was meant to help poor Asian kids now? Was that a sick joke? Stuyvesant has a lot of poor Asian kids. But that didn't stop the democrats from seeing the racial makeup as a problem to solve.

Sounds like they are an ORM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

How do they report ED #s in general? They have data for 2020-21:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools#desktopTabs-3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

How do they report ED #s in general? They have data for 2020-21:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools#desktopTabs-3

From your link:

“User note: Updated information for some School Quality Profile reports is not available due to the closure of schools in 2019-2020 and the continuing impact of COVID-19 on Virginia schools during the 2020-2021 school year.”

So, to repeat the above question: if you think they are NOT relying solely on the two meals questions, what are they using?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

How do they report ED #s in general? They have data for 2020-21:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools#desktopTabs-3

From your link:

“User note: Updated information for some School Quality Profile reports is not available due to the closure of schools in 2019-2020 and the continuing impact of COVID-19 on Virginia schools during the 2020-2021 school year.”

So, to repeat the above question: if you think they are NOT relying solely on the two meals questions, what are they using?

Keep looking. It does have Oct 2020 data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

How do they report ED #s in general? They have data for 2020-21:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools#desktopTabs-3

From your link:

“User note: Updated information for some School Quality Profile reports is not available due to the closure of schools in 2019-2020 and the continuing impact of COVID-19 on Virginia schools during the 2020-2021 school year.”

So, to repeat the above question: if you think they are NOT relying solely on the two meals questions, what are they using?

Keep looking. It does have Oct 2020 data.

They did not collect FARMS forms last year or this year. This is estimated data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS has no information on anyone’s income. The State of Virginia is not sharing income tax returns with the TJ admissions office. They can’t use data from 2019-20 school year because it’s out of date and too many holes of people moving etc. they can’t just ask the middle school to “certify” the child as low income because that would be arbitrary.

The meals questions are appear to be the only data that they have to determine economically disadvantaged.

Question for those who think the meals questions are NOT the determining factor: what other data would FCPS use? How would they get that data in a reliable manner?

How do they report ED #s in general? They have data for 2020-21:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools#desktopTabs-3

From your link:

“User note: Updated information for some School Quality Profile reports is not available due to the closure of schools in 2019-2020 and the continuing impact of COVID-19 on Virginia schools during the 2020-2021 school year.”

So, to repeat the above question: if you think they are NOT relying solely on the two meals questions, what are they using?

Keep looking. It does have Oct 2020 data.

They did not collect FARMS forms last year or this year. This is estimated data.

Citation?