WSJ 2022 College Ranking

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Anonymous wrote:Haha I guess your kid didn’t get into Brown. It is a school that is taken very seriously in academia and that’s why the WSJ ranked it #6.


By putting Duke at #5 and Brown #6 above Princeton at #9. This ranking is a joke.

Forbes is worse with UCB at 1. So I'll take this one.


Clearly, according to WSJ, everyone in America is well-off enough to afford a 60-70k college tuition annually.

The best schools in America have always been private. Get over that.


Hmmm have to disagree with that. Private schools aren’t usually the best in STEM fields. Again, can you not read? Most Americans can’t afford going to a private school or don’t even bother applying to one in the first place because they don’t have the means or the know-how. I’m surprised they didn’t teach you the reading or conversation skills at your prestigious private school.
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Anonymous wrote:Haha I guess your kid didn’t get into Brown. It is a school that is taken very seriously in academia and that’s why the WSJ ranked it #6.


By putting Duke at #5 and Brown #6 above Princeton at #9. This ranking is a joke.

Forbes is worse with UCB at 1. So I'll take this one.


Clearly, according to WSJ, everyone in America is well-off enough to afford a 60-70k college tuition annually.

The best schools in America have always been private. Get over that.


Hmmm have to disagree with that. Private schools aren’t usually the best in STEM fields. Again, can you not read? Most Americans can’t afford going to a private school or don’t even bother applying to one in the first place because they don’t have the means or the know-how. I’m surprised they didn’t teach you the reading or conversation skills at your prestigious private school.


These schools including Duke are pretty much the same
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Brown is ranked #6. E cause of outstanding academics!
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Anonymous wrote:1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 Yale University
5 Duke University
6 Brown University
7 California Institute of Technology
8 Princeton University
9 Johns Hopkins University
9 Northwestern University
11 Cornell University
12 University of Pennsylvania
13 Dartmouth College
14 The University of Chicago
15 Vanderbilt University
16 Columbia University
17 Washington University in St Louis
18 Rice University
19 University of Southern California
20 Emory University
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All schools on WSJ are private -- go figure...
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Anonymous wrote:1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 Yale University
5 Duke University
6 Brown University
7 California Institute of Technology
8 Princeton University
9 Johns Hopkins University
9 Northwestern University
11 Cornell University
12 University of Pennsylvania
13 Dartmouth College
14 The University of Chicago
15 Vanderbilt University
16 Columbia University
17 Washington University in St Louis
18 Rice University
19 University of Southern California
20 Emory University


All schools on WSJ list are private...go figure
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Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.
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Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.


10% more isn't significantly higher. On the other hand, Stanford and Harvard both have a 20-year ROI of around 1 million. That's 50% more. Columbia, Penn, Yale, Duke, Princeton all have ROI of over $800,000, around 30% more than UCLA and Berkeley, the highest ranked public schools in the country.

Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, UChicago all have similar ROI to Berkeley, which is $656,000. The difference is even lower.

I could have spent that money going to UCLA or Berkeley instead, to be honest, and if I were in-state, going to Berkeley is really a no-brainer.
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Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.


I looked up the stats for Georgia, Georgia Tech has a higher ROI than Emory. That's if you want to study STEM, of course. Still a better deal than going to UGA.
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Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.


I looked up the stats for Georgia, Georgia Tech has a higher ROI than Emory. That's if you want to study STEM, of course. Still a better deal than going to UGA.

Gatech grads are engineers... Emory doesn't have that. If Gatech wasn't higher, it would be embarrassing for them.
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Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.


10% more isn't significantly higher. On the other hand, Stanford and Harvard both have a 20-year ROI of around 1 million. That's 50% more. Columbia, Penn, Yale, Duke, Princeton all have ROI of over $800,000, around 30% more than UCLA and Berkeley, the highest ranked public schools in the country.

Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, UChicago all have similar ROI to Berkeley, which is $656,000. The difference is even lower.

I could have spent that money going to UCLA or Berkeley instead, to be honest, and if I were in-state, going to Berkeley is really a no-brainer.

You're purposefully missing the point. Cost of attendance is taken into account in ROI, so if you can afford a private school, and all it's advantages like small classes and guidance you should go because the return on investment is the same if not better. Why suffer at overcrowded and dirty UC Berkeley of you don't have to?
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Anonymous wrote:1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 Yale University
5 Duke University
6 Brown University
7 California Institute of Technology
8 Princeton University
9 Johns Hopkins University
9 Northwestern University
11 Cornell University
12 University of Pennsylvania
13 Dartmouth College
14 The University of Chicago
15 Vanderbilt University
16 Columbia University
17 Washington University in St Louis
18 Rice University
19 University of Southern California
20 Emory University
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All schools on WSJ are private -- go figure...


20-year ROI tiers based on the Georgetown ROI study:

$1 million: Stanford, MIT
$950k-$1 million: Harvard
$900k-$950k: Georgetown
$850k-$900k: Penn, Harvey Mudd
$800k-$850k: Caltech, Yale, Georgia Tech, Columbia, Carnegie Mellon, Duke, Princeton
$750-$800k: Lehigh
$700-$750k: Notre Dame, Cornell, Washington and Lee, Dartmouth
$650-$600k: Claremont McKenna, Tufts, USC, JHU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Case Western, Boston College, WashU, Rice, Berkeley, UChicago, Michigan,
$600-$650k: Cooper Union, Lafayette, Baruch, GWU, Emory, Northeastern, UMD, Holy Cross, Bucknell, Brown, UCLA, UWashington, Bowdoin, Amherst, Virginia Tech, UIUC, Colgate, UCSD, BYU, UVA, Drexel
$550k-$600k: Rutgers, Trinity (CT), U of Richmond, UC Irvine, Union, George Mason, Pomona, UT-Austin, Stony Brook, Pepperdine, UC Davis, Wellesley, Florida, Texas A&M, William & Mary, UConn, Colby, Davidson, Wake Forest, Hamilton, BU, UNC, Williams, Barnard
$500-$550k: SMU, Wisconsin-Madison, UMiami, UC Santa Barbara, Rochester, Bates, Syracuse, Haverford, University of Utah, Franklin & Marshall, Haverford, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Clemson, Dickinson, AU, NYU, Minnesota, Fordham, University of New Hampshire, Georgia, CUNY, University of Rhode Island, Brandeis, Bryn Mawr

just lol at the LAC and private school boosters on DCUM. Going to a second-rate private school or LACs isn't really a better option than going to a public school.
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Anonymous wrote:1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 Yale University
5 Duke University
6 Brown University
7 California Institute of Technology
8 Princeton University
9 Johns Hopkins University
9 Northwestern University
11 Cornell University
12 University of Pennsylvania
13 Dartmouth College
14 The University of Chicago
15 Vanderbilt University
16 Columbia University
17 Washington University in St Louis
18 Rice University
19 University of Southern California
20 Emory University
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All schools on WSJ are private -- go figure...


20-year ROI tiers based on the Georgetown ROI study:

$1 million: Stanford, MIT
$950k-$1 million: Harvard
$900k-$950k: Georgetown
$850k-$900k: Penn, Harvey Mudd
$800k-$850k: Caltech, Yale, Georgia Tech, Columbia, Carnegie Mellon, Duke, Princeton
$750-$800k: Lehigh
$700-$750k: Notre Dame, Cornell, Washington and Lee, Dartmouth
$650-$600k: Claremont McKenna, Tufts, USC, JHU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Case Western, Boston College, WashU, Rice, Berkeley, UChicago, Michigan,
$600-$650k: Cooper Union, Lafayette, Baruch, GWU, Emory, Northeastern, UMD, Holy Cross, Bucknell, Brown, UCLA, UWashington, Bowdoin, Amherst, Virginia Tech, UIUC, Colgate, UCSD, BYU, UVA, Drexel
$550k-$600k: Rutgers, Trinity (CT), U of Richmond, UC Irvine, Union, George Mason, Pomona, UT-Austin, Stony Brook, Pepperdine, UC Davis, Wellesley, Florida, Texas A&M, William & Mary, UConn, Colby, Davidson, Wake Forest, Hamilton, BU, UNC, Williams, Barnard
$500-$550k: SMU, Wisconsin-Madison, UMiami, UC Santa Barbara, Rochester, Bates, Syracuse, Haverford, University of Utah, Franklin & Marshall, Haverford, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Clemson, Dickinson, AU, NYU, Minnesota, Fordham, University of New Hampshire, Georgia, CUNY, University of Rhode Island, Brandeis, Bryn Mawr

just lol at the LAC and private school boosters on DCUM. Going to a second-rate private school or LACs isn't really a better option than going to a public school.


I'm assuming this is across the entire student population and not specific fields. In that case, the public Unis' on the list did really well, especially the larger ones. It's really easy for a smaller school with rich, connected kids to have better outcomes compared to a random cohort of kids, quite a few of them not too well off and not connected but are only a few 100K off from the top tier kids. I mean, the total headcount at the top 6 tiers is probably less than the total headcount at 2 schools in tier 7 - Michigan and Berkeley.

If you were to compare STEM only outcomes, especially engineering or CS, some of the publics will beat the crap out of the top 6 tiers.
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40-year ROI tiers:

$2 million: Stanford, MIT
$1.9 million: Harvard, Babson, Georgetown
$1.8 million: Harvey Mudd, Penn, Caltech
$1.7 million: Yale, Columbia, Duke, CMU, Georgia Tech
$1.6 million: Lehigh, Princeton, Notre Dame, Cornell
$1.5 million: Washington & Lee, Villanova, Dartmouth, Tufts, USC, Case Western, Claremont McKenna, JHU
$1.4 million: BC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Holy Cross, UChicago, GWU, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Lafayette
$1.3 million: Rice, Northeastern, Berkeley, Brown, Drexel, Emory, Michigan, Bowdoin, Amherst, Trinity, UMD, Colgate, Union, U of Richmond, Virginia Tech, Pepperdine, UCLA
$1.2 million: UIUC, BU, UVA, Wake Forest, Baruch, UCSD, BYU, UWashington, Wellesley, George Mason, UC Irvine, Hamilton, Syracuse, UT-Austin, Pomona, UC Davis, SMU, Rochester, Davidson, William & Mary, Stony Brook, UConn, Texas A&M, UMiami, Colby, Haverford, Williams, Delaware, Rutgers, U of Baltimore, NYU, Florida, Bates, Barnard
$1.1 million: AU, Franklin and Marshall, Middlebury, UNC, Purdue, James Madison, Wisconsin-Madison, Fordham, Swarthmore, UC Santa Barbara, Dickinson, UIC, Brandeis, Yeshiva, Gettysburg, Utah, Michigan State, Bryn Mawr, Clemson, Vassar
$1 million: U of Rhode Island, Minnesota, Connecticut College, Wesleyan, U of New Hampshire, Carleton, Georgia, UPitt, UMass-Amherst, Colorado-Boulder, Temple, CCNY, Wofford, Furman, Hampden-Sydney, Indiana-Bloomington, U of Kansas, Elon, Occidental, Baylor
900k: Howard, Arizona, Auburn, Skidmore, Grinnell, Denison, Oklahoma State, Kalamazoo, U of Vermont, U of Nevada-Las Vegas

Again, second-rate private schools and LACs aren't really THAT better (as claimed by some DCUM prestige wh*res) than some of the flagship state universities that I have not listed in their entirety.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's a list for asset-rich families with education trusts, where the kids are educated at expensive private schools from pre-school through graduate school. This list is appealing to a certain class of families.

Literally, the list is meant to assuage rich people that they made the right choices for their kids by overpaying for USC, Wash U, Vandy, Duke, and JHU liberal arts and "business" degrees.


Maybe except for Duke, most of these schools have pretty mediocre career outcomes. The wealthy thrive on connections and financial security. But for those on financial aid or lower middle class families, going to these overpriced schools don’t really add much value to their career prospects as opposed to going to a public school...

Georgetown released it's 20 year ROI analysis of colleges in America, all of the schools you mentioned and a few others like Emory do very well and have better ROI than most public schools.
Here's the link
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/collegeroi/

For example USC's 20 year ROI is $690,000 vs UCLAs $618,000.


10% more isn't significantly higher. On the other hand, Stanford and Harvard both have a 20-year ROI of around 1 million. That's 50% more. Columbia, Penn, Yale, Duke, Princeton all have ROI of over $800,000, around 30% more than UCLA and Berkeley, the highest ranked public schools in the country.

Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, UChicago all have similar ROI to Berkeley, which is $656,000. The difference is even lower.

I could have spent that money going to UCLA or Berkeley instead, to be honest, and if I were in-state, going to Berkeley is really a no-brainer.

You're purposefully missing the point. Cost of attendance is taken into account in ROI, so if you can afford a private school, and all it's advantages like small classes and guidance you should go because the return on investment is the same if not better. Why suffer at overcrowded and dirty UC Berkeley of you don't have to?


Unless it's the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, or some top-ranked private engineering school, it really doesn't make that big of a difference as you make out to be. Berkeley and UCLA have a higher ROI than most privates and are much more well-known schools. Plus, you are not really worried about paying back your student loans immediately after college if you're in-state, as opposed doling out 200k for a USC degree, which isn't that great of a school either. You picked the wrong fight, hon.
Anonymous
The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.
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