WSJ 2022 College Ranking

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.

None of those schools are second-rate. I meant second-rate like Grinnell, Brandeis, Franklin Marshall, BU, NYU and Syracuse. Emory isn't that better than UCB to be fair, unless you went there or your kid did lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.

None of those schools are second-rate. I meant second-rate like Grinnell, Brandeis, Franklin Marshall, BU, NYU and Syracuse. Emory isn't that better than UCB to be fair, unless you went there or your kid did lol.

If that makes you feel better the numbers aren't lying. The public's clearly are underperforming. You missing the fact that ROI takes cost of attendance into consideration, and only instate students get the discount. How about you only count the ROI of Out of state students at UCB, UMich etc. The privates would destroy them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.

None of those schools are second-rate. I meant second-rate like Grinnell, Brandeis, Franklin Marshall, BU, NYU and Syracuse. Emory isn't that better than UCB to be fair, unless you went there or your kid did lol.

If that makes you feel better the numbers aren't lying. The public's clearly are underperforming. You missing the fact that ROI takes cost of attendance into consideration, and only instate students get the discount. How about you only count the ROI of Out of state students at UCB, UMich etc. The privates would destroy them.

PP, What's the problem with public schools? I don't get your irrational worshipping of private schools as if they're some golden key to open any door. Most of them aren't, unless you attend an ivy league or the likes of.

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.

None of those schools are second-rate. I meant second-rate like Grinnell, Brandeis, Franklin Marshall, BU, NYU and Syracuse. Emory isn't that better than UCB to be fair, unless you went there or your kid did lol.

If that makes you feel better the numbers aren't lying. The public's clearly are underperforming. You missing the fact that ROI takes cost of attendance into consideration, and only instate students get the discount. How about you only count the ROI of Out of state students at UCB, UMich etc. The privates would destroy them.

Lol you really have to find a way to justify your overpaid $200,000 investment huh?

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools actually aren't doing great. Especially ones like Umich that aren't really economically diverse. Umich is 50 oos students, they can afford private schools no problem. Also publics are tech/stem power houses...right?!. UCB is in Silicon Valley yet can't beat schools like Emory, Brown, Amherst, Georgetown that don't have engineering at all. The privates you call second rate (they aren't BTW) are still better than the best publics.

None of those schools are second-rate. I meant second-rate like Grinnell, Brandeis, Franklin Marshall, BU, NYU and Syracuse. Emory isn't that better than UCB to be fair, unless you went there or your kid did lol.

If that makes you feel better the numbers aren't lying. The public's clearly are underperforming. You missing the fact that ROI takes cost of attendance into consideration, and only instate students get the discount. How about you only count the ROI of Out of state students at UCB, UMich etc. The privates would destroy them.

PP, What's the problem with public schools? I don't get your irrational worshipping of private schools as if they're some golden key to open any door. Most of them aren't, unless you attend an ivy league or the likes of.

I don't have a problem with private schools per say. But I do feel their students and boosters have this weird chip on their shoulders. The best publics are good, but they aren't better than the top 25 privates.

[Anonymous]

I don't have a problem with *publics... I apologize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it so hard to just make a list sorting for the the sum of grads going into T14 law, US medical school, FAANG, elite PhD track, Wall Street front office, verified six-figure salary offer, things like that?

I safely assume that list would be:

Ivies, Stanford, MIT
Duke, Notre Dame, Rice

UChicago wouldn't be in the top 25.

Harvard MBA Undergrad Representation, class of 2020

https://fortunaadmissions.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Fortuna-Admissions-HBS-Deep-Dive-Analysis-MBA-Class-of-2020-2.pdf

1. Harvard (46)
2. Penn (39)
3. Stanford (35)
4. Yale (31)
5. Princeton (24)
6. Duke (23)
7. Dartmouth (20)
8. Cornell (18)
8. Notre Dame (18)
10. Brown (15)
10. MIT (15)
10. U of Texas (15)
13. Columbia (14)
13. Georgetown (14)
15. NYU (13)
15. Northwestern (13)
16. Indian Institute of Technology (12)
16. Navy (12)
16. UVA (12)
20. UIUC (11)
20. WashU (11)
22. Berkeley (10)
22. Michigan (10)
22. UNC (10)
....
36. UChicago (6)


Stanford MBA Undergrad Representation, class of 2020

1. Harvard (25)
2. Stanford (23)
3. Yale (19)
4. Penn (15)
5. Columbia (13)
6. Brown (11)
7. Dartmouth (10)
8. Princeton (9)
9. Duke (7)
10. Georgetown (6)
10. NYU (6)
10. Berkeley (6)
10. Notre Dame (6)
10. UNC-Chapel Hill (6)
15. Amherst (5)
15. Cornell (5)
15. USC (5)
15. Some university in Chile (5)
15. UVA (5)
20. Imperial College London (4)
20. UTexas-Austin (4)
20. Vanderbilt (4)
23. Georgia Tech (3)
23. Middlebury (3)
23. MIT (3)
23. Northwestern (3)
23. UCLA (3)
23. Oklahoma (3)
23. Oxford (3)
23. Williams (3)
....
31. UChicago (2)

Must be very embarrassing for the UChicago boosters. And this is after they've artificially inflated the rankings and supposedly attracted a "higher caliber" of students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absurd list - bias against public universities is obvious ..l

Brown is at #6. Probably because all the hedge fund managers sent their kids there.

+1 brown definitely doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10

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Anonymous wrote:Absurd list - bias against public universities is obvious ..l

Brown is at #6. Probably because all the hedge fund managers sent their kids there.

+1 brown definitely doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10

More like a T15 school. Duke at top 5 is also a bit of a stretch. It's never been in T5 for the past 15 years on USNWR and only cracked T5 for 5 years from '83 to '21. But a solid T10 school nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:40-year ROI tiers:

$2 million: Stanford, MIT
$1.9 million: Harvard, Babson, Georgetown
$1.8 million: Harvey Mudd, Penn, Caltech
$1.7 million: Yale, Columbia, Duke, CMU, Georgia Tech
$1.6 million: Lehigh, Princeton, Notre Dame, Cornell
$1.5 million: Washington & Lee, Villanova, Dartmouth, Tufts, USC, Case Western, Claremont McKenna, JHU
$1.4 million: BC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Holy Cross, UChicago, GWU, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Lafayette
$1.3 million: Rice, Northeastern, Berkeley, Brown, Drexel, Emory, Michigan, Bowdoin, Amherst, Trinity, UMD, Colgate, Union, U of Richmond, Virginia Tech, Pepperdine, UCLA
$1.2 million: UIUC, BU, UVA, Wake Forest, Baruch, UCSD, BYU, UWashington, Wellesley, George Mason, UC Irvine, Hamilton, Syracuse, UT-Austin, Pomona, UC Davis, SMU, Rochester, Davidson, William & Mary, Stony Brook, UConn, Texas A&M, UMiami, Colby, Haverford, Williams, Delaware, Rutgers, U of Baltimore, NYU, Florida, Bates, Barnard
$1.1 million: AU, Franklin and Marshall, Middlebury, UNC, Purdue, James Madison, Wisconsin-Madison, Fordham, Swarthmore, UC Santa Barbara, Dickinson, UIC, Brandeis, Yeshiva, Gettysburg, Utah, Michigan State, Bryn Mawr, Clemson, Vassar
$1 million: U of Rhode Island, Minnesota, Connecticut College, Wesleyan, U of New Hampshire, Carleton, Georgia, UPitt, UMass-Amherst, Colorado-Boulder, Temple, CCNY, Wofford, Furman, Hampden-Sydney, Indiana-Bloomington, U of Kansas, Elon, Occidental, Baylor
900k: Howard, Arizona, Auburn, Skidmore, Grinnell, Denison, Oklahoma State, Kalamazoo, U of Vermont, U of Nevada-Las Vegas

Again, second-rate private schools and LACs aren't really THAT better (as claimed by some DCUM prestige wh*res) than some of the flagship state universities that I have not listed in their entirety.

Looking at ROI alone, Georgetown, Columbia, Penn are underrated on the WSJ rankings. Brown, JHU, Northwestern, UChicago, WashU, and USC are all a bit overrated in the T20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absurd list - bias against public universities is obvious ..l

Brown is at #6. Probably because all the hedge fund managers sent their kids there.

+1 brown definitely doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10

More like a T15 school. Duke at top 5 is also a bit of a stretch. It's never been in T5 for the past 15 years on USNWR and only cracked T5 for 5 years from '83 to '21. But a solid T10 school nonetheless.

Brown is in no stretch of the imagination a top 10. Highly mediocre in all ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Absurd list - bias against public universities is obvious ..l

Brown is at #6. Probably because all the hedge fund managers sent their kids there.

+1 brown definitely doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10

More like a T15 school. Duke at top 5 is also a bit of a stretch. It's never been in T5 for the past 15 years on USNWR and only cracked T5 for 5 years from '83 to '21. But a solid T10 school nonetheless.

Brown is in no stretch of the imagination a top 10. Highly mediocre in all ways.

It's only been ranked T10 in USNWR 6 times, barely even cracking T15.

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Anonymous wrote:Absurd list - bias against public universities is obvious ..l

Brown is at #6. Probably because all the hedge fund managers sent their kids there.

+1 brown definitely doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10

More like a T15 school. Duke at top 5 is also a bit of a stretch. It's never been in T5 for the past 15 years on USNWR and only cracked T5 for 5 years from '83 to '21. But a solid T10 school nonetheless.

Brown is in no stretch of the imagination a top 10. Highly mediocre in all ways.

It's only been ranked T10 in USNWR 6 times, barely even cracking T15.

*since 1983

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:40-year ROI tiers:

$2 million: Stanford, MIT
$1.9 million: Harvard, Babson, Georgetown
$1.8 million: Harvey Mudd, Penn, Caltech
$1.7 million: Yale, Columbia, Duke, CMU, Georgia Tech
$1.6 million: Lehigh, Princeton, Notre Dame, Cornell
$1.5 million: Washington & Lee, Villanova, Dartmouth, Tufts, USC, Case Western, Claremont McKenna, JHU
$1.4 million: BC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Holy Cross, UChicago, GWU, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Lafayette
$1.3 million: Rice, Northeastern, Berkeley, Brown, Drexel, Emory, Michigan, Bowdoin, Amherst, Trinity, UMD, Colgate, Union, U of Richmond, Virginia Tech, Pepperdine, UCLA
$1.2 million: UIUC, BU, UVA, Wake Forest, Baruch, UCSD, BYU, UWashington, Wellesley, George Mason, UC Irvine, Hamilton, Syracuse, UT-Austin, Pomona, UC Davis, SMU, Rochester, Davidson, William & Mary, Stony Brook, UConn, Texas A&M, UMiami, Colby, Haverford, Williams, Delaware, Rutgers, U of Baltimore, NYU, Florida, Bates, Barnard
$1.1 million: AU, Franklin and Marshall, Middlebury, UNC, Purdue, James Madison, Wisconsin-Madison, Fordham, Swarthmore, UC Santa Barbara, Dickinson, UIC, Brandeis, Yeshiva, Gettysburg, Utah, Michigan State, Bryn Mawr, Clemson, Vassar
$1 million: U of Rhode Island, Minnesota, Connecticut College, Wesleyan, U of New Hampshire, Carleton, Georgia, UPitt, UMass-Amherst, Colorado-Boulder, Temple, CCNY, Wofford, Furman, Hampden-Sydney, Indiana-Bloomington, U of Kansas, Elon, Occidental, Baylor
900k: Howard, Arizona, Auburn, Skidmore, Grinnell, Denison, Oklahoma State, Kalamazoo, U of Vermont, U of Nevada-Las Vegas

Again, second-rate private schools and LACs aren't really THAT better (as claimed by some DCUM prestige wh*res) than some of the flagship state universities that I have not listed in their entirety.

Looking at ROI alone, Georgetown, Columbia, Penn are underrated on the WSJ rankings. Brown, JHU, Northwestern, UChicago, WashU, and USC are all a bit overrated in the T20.

The top 3 at 40 years in this list are actually Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, St Louis College of Pharmacy, and Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences. They are above MIT. What this should tell you is majors matter enormously in these types of ROI rankings, and the mix of majors at a school are going to influence its ranking, and the rankings might not tell you what you think it tells you. Georgia Tech is the highest ranked in ROI of the top USNWR "National Public Universities. Why? Because it has the highest percentage of engineers of those schools and engineers make about 2X as much as the typical college graduate at least through mid-career. Georgia Tech is significantly above Berkeley and Michigan, for instance, but I would bet that that is attributable to having a much higher percentage of engineers than those schools. If you compare engineering majors to engineering majors at those schools, I would bet that the outcome will be different. Likewise, Virginia Tech is above UVA and other good publics. Virginia Tech, like Georgia Tech but not to the same extent, has a relatively high percentage of engineering students compared to UVA, which has a much smaller engineering school, and UNC, which doesn't really have engineering. If you compared major to major, I again don't think the results would be the same. Oh, and you actually have to major in engineering to get this expected outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:40-year ROI tiers:

$2 million: Stanford, MIT
$1.9 million: Harvard, Babson, Georgetown
$1.8 million: Harvey Mudd, Penn, Caltech
$1.7 million: Yale, Columbia, Duke, CMU, Georgia Tech
$1.6 million: Lehigh, Princeton, Notre Dame, Cornell
$1.5 million: Washington & Lee, Villanova, Dartmouth, Tufts, USC, Case Western, Claremont McKenna, JHU
$1.4 million: BC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Holy Cross, UChicago, GWU, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Lafayette
$1.3 million: Rice, Northeastern, Berkeley, Brown, Drexel, Emory, Michigan, Bowdoin, Amherst, Trinity, UMD, Colgate, Union, U of Richmond, Virginia Tech, Pepperdine, UCLA
$1.2 million: UIUC, BU, UVA, Wake Forest, Baruch, UCSD, BYU, UWashington, Wellesley, George Mason, UC Irvine, Hamilton, Syracuse, UT-Austin, Pomona, UC Davis, SMU, Rochester, Davidson, William & Mary, Stony Brook, UConn, Texas A&M, UMiami, Colby, Haverford, Williams, Delaware, Rutgers, U of Baltimore, NYU, Florida, Bates, Barnard
$1.1 million: AU, Franklin and Marshall, Middlebury, UNC, Purdue, James Madison, Wisconsin-Madison, Fordham, Swarthmore, UC Santa Barbara, Dickinson, UIC, Brandeis, Yeshiva, Gettysburg, Utah, Michigan State, Bryn Mawr, Clemson, Vassar
$1 million: U of Rhode Island, Minnesota, Connecticut College, Wesleyan, U of New Hampshire, Carleton, Georgia, UPitt, UMass-Amherst, Colorado-Boulder, Temple, CCNY, Wofford, Furman, Hampden-Sydney, Indiana-Bloomington, U of Kansas, Elon, Occidental, Baylor
900k: Howard, Arizona, Auburn, Skidmore, Grinnell, Denison, Oklahoma State, Kalamazoo, U of Vermont, U of Nevada-Las Vegas

Again, second-rate private schools and LACs aren't really THAT better (as claimed by some DCUM prestige wh*res) than some of the flagship state universities that I have not listed in their entirety.

Looking at ROI alone, Georgetown, Columbia, Penn are underrated on the WSJ rankings. Brown, JHU, Northwestern, UChicago, WashU, and USC are all a bit overrated in the T20.

The top 3 at 40 years in this list are actually Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, St Louis College of Pharmacy, and Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences. They are above MIT. What this should tell you is majors matter enormously in these types of ROI rankings, and the mix of majors at a school are going to influence its ranking, and the rankings might not tell you what you think it tells you. Georgia Tech is the highest ranked in ROI of the top USNWR "National Public Universities. Why? Because it has the highest percentage of engineers of those schools and engineers make about 2X as much as the typical college graduate at least through mid-career. Georgia Tech is significantly above Berkeley and Michigan, for instance, but I would bet that that is attributable to having a much higher percentage of engineers than those schools. If you compare engineering majors to engineering majors at those schools, I would bet that the outcome will be different. Likewise, Virginia Tech is above UVA and other good publics. Virginia Tech, like Georgia Tech but not to the same extent, has a relatively high percentage of engineering students compared to UVA, which has a much smaller engineering school, and UNC, which doesn't really have engineering. If you compared major to major, I again don't think the results would be the same. Oh, and you actually have to major in engineering to get this expected outcome.

I'm not the pp you're responding to, but you proved my point about the schools that don't have engineering at all. Look how high Georgetown's ROI is for a school that doesn't have engineering, not even a small program. Same for Emory and U Chicago and Emory is in the SOUTH too. Considering we live/lived through the tech and.com era over the last few decades these schools are underrated.