Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a very American thing to be anti-maternity leave and to hate on a woman who has just given birth.

In Canada, there is a completely different understanding of birth and receovery and she would have been allowed time off and accommodations would have had to have been made to support her, including supporting her choice to breastfeed.

America is very far behind when it comes to women's rights. But as long as women are against women's rights like in this thread, there won't be much progress.

No matter how much people hate Blake, she is still an actual human and woman.

There was no maternity leave. The film had not started yet. She was trying to get the production changed, but she should’ve not signed onto the film and another film and a third one over the summer? Do you not realize that Blake and Ryan are worth $400 million? they hardly need the money it’s not Justin‘s fault that she signed on to do three films.

[Anonymous]

Here are the links to the documents that were too large for the docket.
https://docketupdates.com/all-links-to-the-new-filings-tied-to-their-relevant-motions-replies-etc/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That voice memo is the week she gave birth. Probably having a hard time thinking about being away when she is nesting days before popping or actually sleep deprived with a new born. We don't know what day exactly she gave birth but it seems it was the first week of February.

Yes, agree she had just given birth. But I’m just not sure it’s appropriate to call your “boss” like that and vent about baby weight and lack of a baby nurse.

And it’s also weird to me that she was supposed to do a movie called proxy in between it ends with us and having her baby. I just googled it and she was attached to it in 2022 and it was supposed to film and it still has not been made. So it obviously got canceled but just really weird choices to have baby number four and have literally three movies in the next six months.

Of course she felt overwhelmed. I’m not judging that. But it seems like she took on a lot and i think it impacted some of what happened on it ends with us.

I also really don’t like the dynamics that she has with her new boss. And asking them to change the production schedule. That is crazy and seems like from the start. She just had a lot of power.

One last thing I’ll point out - all the voice memos, emails, and text I’ve seen her, I don’t think she has sent one that didn’t reference Ryan. I don’t think she can go three or four sentences without referencing back to him. Even when she told Taylor she loved her when they were having their heart to heart in December 2024, she said I just love you, and I love my babies and Ryan. I find that odd.

I don't know if you are a woman, but it wouldn't be uncommon to send a rambling email in the days after birth when hormones are a mess, you haven't slept, you are panicking over a schedule that impacts your kids, you don't have help in place yet, and you have 3 jobs coming up.

Sure, she took on too much and there are lots of things to critize her for - but a rambling message around the time of the birth of a child isn't really worth getting nasty about. She was a working mother and birth isn't a walk in the park.

People are really looking for low hanging fruit now to attack her for not having it all together in the days surrounding the birth.

I am a woman. I’ve given birth to two kids and I work full-time.

I would never send rambling voice notes like this to my boss. I simply would not, and I don’t think you would either.

I also was smart enough to know maybe I shouldn’t book 3 films and launch a hair product line after giving birth to my fourth kid. I don’t know if it’s greed or a money grab or what was happening. I just can’t pretend to relate to this woman or her decisions at all.

I also refuse to infantilize women and say well we can’t control it. It’s our hormones. Of course we’re going to leave a long rambling voice note that we know is inappropriate after giving birth. Give me a break.

If we want to call out sexual harassment or inappropriate behavior or whatever ever happened on that set, we need to hold men to certain standards, but we also need to hold women to standards and not blame hormones.

So agree with this. It's called professionalism.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe it was hormones or postpartum anything. It was very strategic. I have seen enough of Ryan and Blake‘s correspondence to know they have a very manipulative way of communicating. It’s a lot of flattery and they like to create the illusion that they’re very close and they are being vulnerable with people. They create a “we are in this together” mentality.

She’s known this guy a month and she’s talking about the trust they have. I know I shouldn’t share this with you, but we’ve become so close type thing. It’s just very manipulative.

I’ve absolutely dealt with people like that in real life and can see right through it.

[Anonymous]

I agree the voice note was unprofessional. It would have been better to put it in writing and run it by someone on her professional team, to communicate concerns that she was having about the schedule.

That said, I see nothing wrong with her reaching out to ask for accommodations with the shooting schedule. I suspect that's not that uncommon in Hollywood. She'd only signed onto the movie a month prior, probably got a schedule end of January or early February and saw some conflicts, and started to stress. It is appropriate in that situation to reach out and say "ok this timeline is problematic for me, what about xyz."

It also raises questions for me about when schedules were created and set, how they were communicated, etc. Again, I think the voice note was an unprofessional way to communicate her issues. But other people associated with the movie have spoken on Wayfarer being inexperienced and disorganized (Alex Saks, Ange Giannetti, even Jamey Heath has criticized Justin's organization and communication). So it's not hard to believe that Blake may have been responding to poorly communicated or late scheduling requests, panicking because she's getting this info literally as she's in labor, and trying to figure out how to address it before it gets set in stone. She still should have worked through her agent but I get why she may have felt time pressured and emotional due to the timing and made a bad choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree the voice note was unprofessional. It would have been better to put it in writing and run it by someone on her professional team, to communicate concerns that she was having about the schedule.

That said, I see nothing wrong with her reaching out to ask for accommodations with the shooting schedule. I suspect that's not that uncommon in Hollywood. She'd only signed onto the movie a month prior, probably got a schedule end of January or early February and saw some conflicts, and started to stress. It is appropriate in that situation to reach out and say "ok this timeline is problematic for me, what about xyz."

It also raises questions for me about when schedules were created and set, how they were communicated, etc. Again, I think the voice note was an unprofessional way to communicate her issues. But other people associated with the movie have spoken on Wayfarer being inexperienced and disorganized (Alex Saks, Ange Giannetti, even Jamey Heath has criticized Justin's organization and communication). So it's not hard to believe that Blake may have been responding to poorly communicated or late scheduling requests, panicking because she's getting this info literally as she's in labor, and trying to figure out how to address it before it gets set in stone. She still should have worked through her agent but I get why she may have felt time pressured and emotional due to the timing and made a bad choice.

So much copium here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe it was hormones or postpartum anything. It was very strategic. I have seen enough of Ryan and Blake‘s correspondence to know they have a very manipulative way of communicating. It’s a lot of flattery and they like to create the illusion that they’re very close and they are being vulnerable with people. They create a “we are in this together” mentality.

She’s known this guy a month and she’s talking about the trust they have. I know I shouldn’t share this with you, but we’ve become so close type thing. It’s just very manipulative.

I’ve absolutely dealt with people like that in real life and can see right through it.

I don't know. That's also how I would describe how Justin and Jamey communicate. Remember that voice note from Justin? It was suuuuper touchy feely and weird and unprofessional as well. And Justin's emails are like that too -- lots of flattery and admiration and then the gist of what he's trying to say is buried at the end or communicated in a wishy washy way to where you're not sure what he means.

It just seems like this is how a lot of Hollywood people are? And yes, it's manipulative in the sense that people are constantly kissing butts and trying to butter people up to do what they want, but it really does seem like they all do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the voice note was unprofessional. It would have been better to put it in writing and run it by someone on her professional team, to communicate concerns that she was having about the schedule.

That said, I see nothing wrong with her reaching out to ask for accommodations with the shooting schedule. I suspect that's not that uncommon in Hollywood. She'd only signed onto the movie a month prior, probably got a schedule end of January or early February and saw some conflicts, and started to stress. It is appropriate in that situation to reach out and say "ok this timeline is problematic for me, what about xyz."

It also raises questions for me about when schedules were created and set, how they were communicated, etc. Again, I think the voice note was an unprofessional way to communicate her issues. But other people associated with the movie have spoken on Wayfarer being inexperienced and disorganized (Alex Saks, Ange Giannetti, even Jamey Heath has criticized Justin's organization and communication). So it's not hard to believe that Blake may have been responding to poorly communicated or late scheduling requests, panicking because she's getting this info literally as she's in labor, and trying to figure out how to address it before it gets set in stone. She still should have worked through her agent but I get why she may have felt time pressured and emotional due to the timing and made a bad choice.

So much copium here.

I don't actually even know what that means, sorry.

[Anonymous]

I don't quite understand what Lively is asking for - it sounds like she wants IEWU to start earlier? Is that because the other movie films after, or is she asking IEWU to film the scenes she's not in?

I'm sure one sucky part of being an actor is when suitable roles come along at a bad time for you personally/physically.

[Anonymous]

Celeb Legal Drama has a fantastic breakdown of the "bakeoff." Before Blake even signed on, this was in the Sony contract: Baldoni only got final cut if he met very specific metrics against Sony's cut. There was always going to be a bakeoff per the contract he agreed to. Sony let Blake and Colleen take the lead on their cut (Colleen was upset Justin had cut her out of the creative process, Blake invited her to join).

Much of the info on this thread is either cherrypicked or just plain wrong. CLD breaks down all the data. Justin's cut did not meet a single metric benchmark stipulated in the contract. Therefore he did not get final cut, period. This happens all the time, which is why we sometimes later see "director's cuts."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't quite understand what Lively is asking for - it sounds like she wants IEWU to start earlier? Is that because the other movie films after, or is she asking IEWU to film the scenes she's not in?

I'm sure one sucky part of being an actor is when suitable roles come along at a bad time for you personally/physically.

Yeah, the timeline is confusing. Although I also think stuff like this probably happens with like every movie. There are so many moving parts, including getting all the actors schedules to line up. I feel like I've heard many times about stuff like an actor being unable to show up to promotion for one thing because they are on location for another, or filming for something getting pushed back or moved up due to availability of location.

In the end she didn't make that movie in the spring and IEWU got made so it doesn't seem like the scheduling stuff was a huge deal. It doesn't seem super salient to this case anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree the voice note was unprofessional. It would have been better to put it in writing and run it by someone on her professional team, to communicate concerns that she was having about the schedule.

That said, I see nothing wrong with her reaching out to ask for accommodations with the shooting schedule. I suspect that's not that uncommon in Hollywood. She'd only signed onto the movie a month prior, probably got a schedule end of January or early February and saw some conflicts, and started to stress. It is appropriate in that situation to reach out and say "ok this timeline is problematic for me, what about xyz."

It also raises questions for me about when schedules were created and set, how they were communicated, etc. Again, I think the voice note was an unprofessional way to communicate her issues. But other people associated with the movie have spoken on Wayfarer being inexperienced and disorganized (Alex Saks, Ange Giannetti, even Jamey Heath has criticized Justin's organization and communication). So it's not hard to believe that Blake may have been responding to poorly communicated or late scheduling requests, panicking because she's getting this info literally as she's in labor, and trying to figure out how to address it before it gets set in stone. She still should have worked through her agent but I get why she may have felt time pressured and emotional due to the timing and made a bad choice.

I guess I don’t understand how movies are made, but I don’t see how they can just play fast and loose with the schedule? Aren’t other actors and crew having to be on set and don’t they have to go onto the next job? I’m sure some of the crew is replaceable, but like if Jenny Slate had another movie lined up and couldn’t do her scenes later because she was contractually obligated to do another movie… I guess I just don’t understand how Justin can just move the schedule like that.

It’s confusing me how Ryan and Blake both were asking for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe it was hormones or postpartum anything. It was very strategic. I have seen enough of Ryan and Blake‘s correspondence to know they have a very manipulative way of communicating. It’s a lot of flattery and they like to create the illusion that they’re very close and they are being vulnerable with people. They create a “we are in this together” mentality.

She’s known this guy a month and she’s talking about the trust they have. I know I shouldn’t share this with you, but we’ve become so close type thing. It’s just very manipulative.

I’ve absolutely dealt with people like that in real life and can see right through it.

This is exactly it and the people pretending this isn’t the dynamic are completely dishonest. And it wasn’t mutual. Lively and Reynold’s “zero pressure asks” are not the same as what Baldoni communicated.

Lively, Reynolds and Swift are each conniving. Swift is good enough at it to have an army of morons who are convinced her anodyne bullshit is excellent, and that they will gain a little joy personally when she gets married. She is excellent at manipulating people. Lively is clunky and Reynolds is better, but he’s also a psycho who knows he has to keep a lid on his temper and crazy.

[Anonymous]

I thought I read Blake was paid $3 million for this movie initially, before any extra bonuses based on box office.

So it’s wild to me that she asks her boss via voice note to change the schedule so she doesn’t have to be apart from her husband for a couple of weeks. I realize celebs can make all kinds of demands but typically the trade off for making that kind money for what amounted to about four weeks on a set and maybe two weeks of promotion, is putting up with an intense shooting schedule.

Considering most actors have to travel to a location away from their family to be on set, she seems pretty lucky to be able to shoot the film in New Jersey not far from her New York home base. To make so many demands in this situation is mind boggling to me. Must be nice.

I don’t expect this to actually make it to court, but I can’t imagine how old this will go over with a jury of normal people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Celeb Legal Drama has a fantastic breakdown of the "bakeoff." Before Blake even signed on, this was in the Sony contract: Baldoni only got final cut if he met very specific metrics against Sony's cut. There was always going to be a bakeoff per the contract he agreed to. Sony let Blake and Colleen take the lead on their cut (Colleen was upset Justin had cut her out of the creative process, Blake invited her to join).

Much of the info on this thread is either cherrypicked or just plain wrong. CLD breaks down all the data. Justin's cut did not meet a single metric benchmark stipulated in the contract. Therefore he did not get final cut, period. This happens all the time, which is why we sometimes later see "director's cuts."

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Sony’s cut and Blake’s cut are not the same thing, plus Blake’s version scored even lower than Justin’s.