Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

If your son's team's game is slated for after the Hayfield court date, they may be kicked out at that point, also.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

While I appreciate the description provided, I would add there is an additional group not directly associated with Hayfield that generally feels there is nothing wrong with recruiting and bringing in 20+ transfers to any school and that it has been happening ‘everywhere else’ for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:So in reality the 6 coaches who said they respected the court’s decision really don’t respect it. Whether it’s a technicality or not VHSL was wrong in how they went about some things, but the coaches are upset because they didn’t like the initial outcome of the FCPS investigation, and if they would have gotten the response they wanted, it never would made it to VHSL doorstep. Is this correct?

I take it that the coaches do respect the decision to legally allow Hayfield to play.
The coaches are taking a moral stand that their teams may not participate, which would result in Hayfield advancing via forfeits.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

While I appreciate the description provided, I would add there is an additional group not directly associated with Hayfield that generally feels there is nothing wrong with recruiting and bringing in 20+ transfers to any school and that it has been happening ‘everywhere else’ for decades.

GTFOOH

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I don't get the Chucky doll reference, wtf

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the Chucky doll reference, wtf

It's on the Hayfield Hawks Football Instagram account. A picture of a player holding a Chucky doll.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

While I appreciate the description provided, I would add there is an additional group not directly associated with Hayfield that generally feels there is nothing wrong with recruiting and bringing in 20+ transfers to any school and that it has been happening ‘everywhere else’ for decades.

GTFOOH

Haha, yeah, it appears they are more associated with the Hayfield head coach and his ‘pop warner league’ he runs in Woodbridge, VA. It sounds like he runs Hayfield like he runs that program and his kids/their families think it should also be allowed in high school sports.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

While I appreciate the description provided, I would add there is an additional group not directly associated with Hayfield that generally feels there is nothing wrong with recruiting and bringing in 20+ transfers to any school and that it has been happening ‘everywhere else’ for decades.

GTFOOH

Haha, yeah, it appears they are more associated with the Hayfield head coach and his ‘pop warner league’ he runs in Woodbridge, VA. It sounds like he runs Hayfield like he runs that program and his kids/their families think it should also be allowed in high school sports.

Absolutely. That's where the freshman dressing for Varsity came from. You pay him for his PME training and teams, and he hooks you up with a spot on the Varsity squad.

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*freshmen*, multiple.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

While I appreciate the description provided, I would add there is an additional group not directly associated with Hayfield that generally feels there is nothing wrong with recruiting and bringing in 20+ transfers to any school and that it has been happening ‘everywhere else’ for decades.

GTFOOH

Haha, yeah, it appears they are more associated with the Hayfield head coach and his ‘pop warner league’ he runs in Woodbridge, VA. It sounds like he runs Hayfield like he runs that program and his kids/their families think it should also be allowed in high school sports.

Absolutely. That's where the freshman dressing for Varsity came from. You pay him for his PME training and teams, and he hooks you up with a spot on the Varsity squad.

My conclusion is that it all started with a cup of coffee between the head coach and principal long before Hayfield fired its previous coach. Hayfield coach had figured out how to recruit at Freedom to win state titles and the ‘new’ Hayfield principal wanted that to define him at Hayfield. The athletic director is a dweeb that got caught up in it with balls too small to say no. And here we are almost a year later arguing with people that don’t think transferring in over 20 student athletes in one offseason is breaking the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

They play in the weakest district by far. Not even close. In other sports they steamroll until the playoffs and then get absolutely smacked. Happens every year, every sport, and this is the first year it won’t happen to their football team.

A legit smackdown is fine. I was talking about the poster suggesting to take their anger towards Hayfield football on other Hayfield sport teams including female ones. It is crazy for an adult to say.

I do think other coaches of other sports will absolutely keep the foot on the gas vs them, and they should. Keep shooting three’s up 25. Keep stealing bases.

I can't imagine the coach I know whose team will play Hayfield in spring would condone that sort of unsportsmanlike conduct. He has integrity and cares about developing good people through sports. I hope all of the rest of Hayfield's opponents do too.

Do you want your daughter punished because of the actions of a bunch of males who have nothing to do with her? That's insane.

Playing hard is one thing. Stealing bases when you're up by 15 and not bringing in that 3rd string pitcher who normally doesn't get game innings is dumb for the development of your team (not that this would happen when playing against Hayfield diamond sports teams, both of which are strong programs).

Says the supporter of a school with the slogan “Hayfield by 40” Priceless stuff here.

Strawman argument right here. It is not THE SCHOOL'S slogan. It is Overton and his coaches, who adopted it for his football program. Until he "graced" the school with his presence I had never heard it with any other sports program. I still haven't heard it used by any Fall sport other than the football team.

He had the same slogan at Freedom. This is not new.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

They play in the weakest district by far. Not even close. In other sports they steamroll until the playoffs and then get absolutely smacked. Happens every year, every sport, and this is the first year it won’t happen to their football team.

A legit smackdown is fine. I was talking about the poster suggesting to take their anger towards Hayfield football on other Hayfield sport teams including female ones. It is crazy for an adult to say.

I do think other coaches of other sports will absolutely keep the foot on the gas vs them, and they should. Keep shooting three’s up 25. Keep stealing bases.

I can't imagine the coach I know whose team will play Hayfield in spring would condone that sort of unsportsmanlike conduct. He has integrity and cares about developing good people through sports. I hope all of the rest of Hayfield's opponents do too.

Do you want your daughter punished because of the actions of a bunch of males who have nothing to do with her? That's insane.

Playing hard is one thing. Stealing bases when you're up by 15 and not bringing in that 3rd string pitcher who normally doesn't get game innings is dumb for the development of your team (not that this would happen when playing against Hayfield diamond sports teams, both of which are strong programs).

Says the supporter of a school with the slogan “Hayfield by 40” Priceless stuff here.

Strawman argument right here. It is not THE SCHOOL'S slogan. It is Overton and his coaches, who adopted it for his football program. Until he "graced" the school with his presence I had never heard it with any other sports program. I still haven't heard it used by any Fall sport other than the football team.

He had the same slogan at Freedom. This is not new.

Who is Strawman?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

I am not a Hayfield parent but I also do not think Hayfield shouldn't be allowed to play. I also don't feel strongly that they should be allowed to. I think whatever the Judge decides is what it should be. I will wait for Dec. 4.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

I am not a Hayfield parent but I also do not think Hayfield shouldn't be allowed to play. I also don't feel strongly that they should be allowed to. I think whatever the Judge decides is what it should be. I will wait for Dec. 4.

If that is truly how you feel, how did you find this thread? Why would you be here?

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Anonymous wrote:I am just getting up to speed on this issue. My son plays on a team in another region that may be on course to play Hayfield or whomever comes out of this region. I don't have time to read 186 pages, but it seems obvious that a team should not be allowed to flout the recruiting rules and still compete in playoffs. Is that the general consensus on DCUM, or are there genuine arguments to justify what Hayfield did?
Hoping that someone can catch me up on the facts without all the emotion that I am seeing in the last few pages.

The general consensus among reasonable adults is that Hayfield should not be allowed to participate. There are a handful of Hayfield parents--identifiable mostly via their poor grammar and syntax--who disagree.

They also speak about the team as if they are on it, argue for things to be "settled on the field," and advocate for petty revenge and unsportsmanship against other Hayfield teams.