ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Peaceful protesting would have been standing on the sidewalk with a sign or chanting. She could have made her point and still would be alive.

Exactly. I found the women’s demeanor bizarre— like they were enjoying themselves and doing this as a lark.

Do you find it bizarre that a grown man shot an unarmed woman in the face because her wife hurt his feelings?

I think it’s sad a life was lost and a career ruined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

That's not what they were doing.

Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

+100 Well said.

Horribly said, actually. The death was the result of a trigger-happy entitled hothead who called her a "f*****g b***h' after he killed her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can somebody who shares the viewpoint and values of the woman and her wife answer this - how were they hoping that the interaction would end?

I'm sure they would have been okay with getting a ticket, maybe having to pay a fine. Maybe spend some time in jail. Those are the normal consequences for civil disobedience, not getting killed.

If the car had stayed in park, that’s probably all that would have happened.

"If she had kept quiet, her husband wouldn't have had to break her arm."

Poor analogy. Obey laws.

Would you be saying the same thing with 2000 dead J6ers strewn across the Capital grounds?

PP here. Yes, I would. I'm sick snd tired of belligerent, in your face, taunting, horn honking protests and folks who think they have the right to block streets and buildingss, enter federal buildings, destroy property, disobey laws, steal ftom stores, start fires, and disrupt people's everyday going to work lives. FWIW, the J 6ers belong in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

That's not what they were doing.

Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

If you actually believed the one relevant detail (the "deadly weapon" threat), you wouldn't have to write the rest of the paragraph. Even if the rest were true, it is totally irrelevant. "Self-aggrandizing behavior" is not a capital offense. There is nothing self-inflected here. An out of control ICE officer murdered a woman and has now gone into hiding to avoid justice.

[Anonymous]

Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.

"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.

"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.

The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.

"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.

None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed that the right has now latched on to the idea that white liberal women are evil and will be the downfall of society. I guess bc white liberal women are the most visible in terms of protesters. But the language is just depressing. Like how dare they speak up and make such a fuss. That along with Latino and black right wing influencers-wanna-be saying the Democratic Party hates people of color and Good should have just behaved. Like yo. Is this real life?

Speaking up is great. I will defend your right to do so. Attempting to block an active police investigation with your car, disobeying lawful commands, and nearly running over an officer is not so great.

For the fiftieth time, her car wasn’t blocking anyone and cars passed her just prior to the incident. Also they were heading back to HQ and not actively investigating anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

This is an un-American take. Americans have the right to peaceful protest, including performative protest; including non-violent civil disobedience. In fact, we have a long history of it.

Why do you have America?

How many Minnesota politicians are on video urging residents to “fight back”, “put your body on the line”, “have to go through me.” They are not calling for peaceful resistance and we are not witnessing peaceful resistance.

[Anonymous]

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Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting. Talk about entititled behavior.

Have you never been to a protest?

Also clearly she wasn't truly blocking traffic. There are two lanes, and it was a one lane road. I saw a lot of cars drive by in the video yet they were never backed up behind the victim's car; thus I infer that they used the second lane to pass by her car.

So at most she was guilty of obstructing one lane of traffic. That's not legal but it is a parking violation, nothing ICE should be attacking people for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

That's not what they were doing.

Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

If you actually believed the one relevant detail (the "deadly weapon" threat), you wouldn't have to write the rest of the paragraph. Even if the rest were true, it is totally irrelevant. "Self-aggrandizing behavior" is not a capital offense. There is nothing self-inflected here. An out of control ICE officer murdered a woman and has now gone into hiding to avoid vigilante justice.

Fixed it for you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

This is an un-American take. Americans have the right to peaceful protest, including performative protest; including non-violent civil disobedience. In fact, we have a long history of it.

Why do you have America?

How many Minnesota politicians are on video urging residents to “fight back”, “put your body on the line”, “have to go through me.” They are not calling for peaceful resistance and we are not witnessing peaceful resistance.

Are they? I have not seen those videos. But I don't think we are yet at the active resistance stage... yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can somebody who shares the viewpoint and values of the woman and her wife answer this - how were they hoping that the interaction would end?

I'm sure they would have been okay with getting a ticket, maybe having to pay a fine. Maybe spend some time in jail. Those are the normal consequences for civil disobedience, not getting killed.

If the car had stayed in park, that’s probably all that would have happened.

"If she had kept quiet, her husband wouldn't have had to break her arm."

Poor analogy. Obey laws.

Would you be saying the same thing with 2000 dead J6ers strewn across the Capital grounds?

PP here. Yes, I would. I'm sick snd tired of belligerent, in your face, taunting, horn honking protests and folks who think they have the right to block streets and buildingss, enter federal buildings, destroy property, disobey laws, steal ftom stores, start fires, and disrupt people's everyday going to work lives. FWIW, the J 6ers belong in jail.

America is not the place for you if you don’t like protests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

They aren’t police.
Their car got stuck in the snow. Neighborhood saw this and blew whistles thinking it was a raid. We saw the rest.

Did one of the ICE vehicles actually get stuck in the snow? I know Noem said that happened but everything else she said at that presser was a lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can somebody who shares the viewpoint and values of the woman and her wife answer this - how were they hoping that the interaction would end?

I'm sure they would have been okay with getting a ticket, maybe having to pay a fine. Maybe spend some time in jail. Those are the normal consequences for civil disobedience, not getting killed.

If the car had stayed in park, that’s probably all that would have happened.

"If she had kept quiet, her husband wouldn't have had to break her arm."

Poor analogy. Obey laws.

Would you be saying the same thing with 2000 dead J6ers strewn across the Capital grounds?

PP here. Yes, I would. I'm sick snd tired of belligerent, in your face, taunting, horn honking protests and folks who think they have the right to block streets and buildingss, enter federal buildings, destroy property, disobey laws, steal ftom stores, start fires, and disrupt people's everyday going to work lives. FWIW, the J 6ers belong in jail.

Let's use some logic. Some of what you write is illegal (for example, entering federal buildings, destroying property, disobeying laws, stealing ftom stores, starting fires and so on). Anyone who does these things, for example the J6ers, should face serious consequences especially when their actions result in the death of several Capitol Police. Others on your list (being "in your face," honking horns, and protesting) are protected by the Constitution. If you don't like it, that is your problem. They are what America is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

That's not what they were doing.

Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

If you actually believed the one relevant detail (the "deadly weapon" threat), you wouldn't have to write the rest of the paragraph. Even if the rest were true, it is totally irrelevant. "Self-aggrandizing behavior" is not a capital offense. There is nothing self-inflected here. An out of control ICE officer murdered a woman and has now gone into hiding to avoid vigilante justice.

Fixed it for you

You know, when you don’t provide regular justice….

Anyway, he could have avoided all this by not being a murderer. Too bad so sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Here's what they were doing: They were engaging in performance theater, hence the filming of themselves. They were behaving in a way intended to provoke a confrontation. While the death of one of the pair was likely an unintended consequence, it was also the result of foolish choices, self-aggrandizing behavior, and a wanton disregard for the risks they posed to themselves and to others by trying to attract law enforcement attention and then trying to evade it in what can be a deadly weapon when operated recklessly and in contravention of law enforcement instructions. Tragic, but self-inflicted.

This is an un-American take. Americans have the right to peaceful protest, including performative protest; including non-violent civil disobedience. In fact, we have a long history of it.

Why do you have America?

How many Minnesota politicians are on video urging residents to “fight back”, “put your body on the line”, “have to go through me.” They are not calling for peaceful resistance and we are not witnessing peaceful resistance.

Where?

I get the feeling that this is like the histrionics of the 8647 maga embarrassment.