Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

You probably posted this before you read one or two comments above but the Dufief crew wants to stay with the cluster they have been a part of for 50 years. That doesn’t make them bad people. Many are open to E and F but H is the best of both worlds. Brand new school, same cluster. And closer to home - I don’t think that’s unreasonable if you look at it from their perspective.

Then they need to understand our perspective. Fallsmead and Cold Spring don’t want leave the cluster either. They also have historical ties to the cluster. H is not the best of both worlds. H at best delays redistricting. H will lead to Cold Spring being removed, and the Fallsmead. Again if people think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

No

No Damascus parent wants HS kids driving to Wootton in Rockville or Crown.

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MCPS BOE & Taylor: for the love of god, can yall just pick E so everyone can shut up already.

I solved the problem for you. The pro H crowd is ok with E. The anti-H group is also ok with E.

Can we just pick E and talk about something else for Christ’s sake.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

No

No Damascus parent wants HS kids driving to Wootton in Rockville or Crown.

No school prefers Wootton over Crown as a holding school. Why would anyone want a longer drive? Crown is off the highway.

Not to mention why would Damascus or Magruder want to leave their high schools that need renovations to attend another high school also in terrible conditions? 😆

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

No

No Damascus parent wants HS kids driving to Wootton in Rockville or Crown.

No school prefers Wootton over Crown as a holding school. Why would anyone want a longer drive? Crown is off the highway.

Not to mention why would Damascus or Magruder want to leave their high schools that need renovations to attend another high school also in terrible conditions? 😆

OMFG great—BOE and Taylor: I found more E supporters. Damascus and Magruder. Pick E already so we can talk about ANYTHING else.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow. Dufief wants to stay with their community, ideally all of the current cluster. They also want a safe building. Assuming the cluster actually stays the same, option H checks both of these boxes. In a perfect world, Wootton gets renovated on Wootton parkway and the cluster remains the same. However this is proving to not be realistic. There is no money.

Separately, Dufief was singled out in the first round and completely removed from their current Wootton community. I am saying it may have gone over much better with the Dufief community if they had also included other Wootton feeders that were actually in the same area as Dufief.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, no, saying it "slower" doesn't make your point any more logical. You say "They also want a safe building." This implies Wootton is unsafe. If the building is truly unsafe, your top priority as a parent is to get your kids somewhere safe even if their friends from other schools don't get to go with them.

Dufief also wasn't singled out. It is objectively the farthest from the cluster.

Also, no the cluster will not stay the same under H. I thought you were supposedly well-read on these issues.
First, modified versions of H have been floating for a while, including ones with the support of elected officials like Mayor of Gaithersburg.
Second, even if it is currently, what's going to happen with growth increases? Cold Spring and Fallsmead will be edge properties.
All H does is swap out Dufief as the edge property for current day Wootton with Cold Spring and Fallsmead as the edge properties of future day Crown.
H is another boundary study down the road.

If you think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yeesh. Why are you so angry? Let’s be civil. “Dufief wasn’t singled out it is the farthest from the cluster.” That may be the reason, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were the only school moved. As in, they felt singled out. Don’t be upset - this whole process is pinning everyone against each other and it’s scary and we all want what we think is best. I wish Dufief had the power you seem to think we do. We are so small…

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

If someone can put “Wootton students back after 10-15 years” with the cluster intact and make this legally enforceable, sure. But lol we all know this is not practical. Too many things can change. Lol but sure sign it in blood and promise me it will be enforceable.

Schools have closed in the past and reopened with demand. You keep putting up every obstical possible and the only thing you want is Wootton torn down and replaced, and even so they would need a holding school. Just putting in a new HVAC does't get rid of the mold issues. It can help prevent new issues but once you have mold, its not going away.

So once we have mold, the school is doomed? I guess it really is time to demolish half of all the county schools and homes.

The kind of mold you are seeing in the schools, yes. Pretty much. If your house has black mold and you don't remediate it, you will have serious health issues. Same with the school. You need to tear out all the drywall, get rid of fabric stuff, etc. Like they do with the flooding. You cannot just simply clean and replace the HVAC and be done with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

You write this as if the families in Dufief are setting the boundaries. “Then you should just go.” Not sure why it’s hard to understand they didn’t want to be split off alone. Then new options appears and what you describe in your comment doesn’t exist. Unless, like option W, you’re trying to create your own? Option x, perhaps?

If we don’t propose an option, it’s why are you just saying you are against H, you need to be for something. Why don’t you use your energy to propose something.
Then lol someone proposes something, are you trying to create your own option?

Because Dufief doesn’t need to. They’d be fine with e-h. You’re not happy with any

I would be THRILLED with EFG. Dufief will be redistricted in 5-10 years. I’ll still walk to my “objectively unsafe school.”

Oh look another fortune teller. Dufief would be fine taking that risk bc they could also be redistricted under H eventually. Back to my point. Why won’t the anti H people SAY THAT in the meetings? Say it with their whole chest that they want E or F. Advocate for an ACTUAL option. Such a wasted opportunity advocating for W versus one the board is actually considering.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

No

No Damascus parent wants HS kids driving to Wootton in Rockville or Crown.

Not following this closely but as a Damascus parent who went to the cluster meeting at Damascus HS where Taylor spoke option H was laughed at by everyone including Taylor. He even said *they* (central office) don't like that plan and not one parent took it seriously. The debate was purely between staying on site or going to Crown as a holding school and I think the room was evenly split.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow. Dufief wants to stay with their community, ideally all of the current cluster. They also want a safe building. Assuming the cluster actually stays the same, option H checks both of these boxes. In a perfect world, Wootton gets renovated on Wootton parkway and the cluster remains the same. However this is proving to not be realistic. There is no money.

Separately, Dufief was singled out in the first round and completely removed from their current Wootton community. I am saying it may have gone over much better with the Dufief community if they had also included other Wootton feeders that were actually in the same area as Dufief.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, no, saying it "slower" doesn't make your point any more logical. You say "They also want a safe building." This implies Wootton is unsafe. If the building is truly unsafe, your top priority as a parent is to get your kids somewhere safe even if their friends from other schools don't get to go with them.

Dufief also wasn't singled out. It is objectively the farthest from the cluster.

Also, no the cluster will not stay the same under H. I thought you were supposedly well-read on these issues.
First, modified versions of H have been floating for a while, including ones with the support of elected officials like Mayor of Gaithersburg.
Second, even if it is currently, what's going to happen with growth increases? Cold Spring and Fallsmead will be edge properties.
All H does is swap out Dufief as the edge property for current day Wootton with Cold Spring and Fallsmead as the edge properties of future day Crown.
H is another boundary study down the road.

If you think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yeesh. Why are you so angry? Let’s be civil. “Dufief wasn’t singled out it is the farthest from the cluster.” That may be the reason, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were the only school moved. As in, they felt singled out. Don’t be upset - this whole process is pinning everyone against each other and it’s scary and we all want what we think is best. I wish Dufief had the power you seem to think we do. We are so small…

Be civil? Look at how this conversation started. The Dufief poster became rude off the start. “You must be new here” and then the “This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow.”

Ok Jan.

You can make your point as slow or as fast as you want, doesn’t make your point any more logically consistent.

Again—if you think Wootton is actually unsafe, then support H AND A-D.

And you are right, Dufief is indeed small. So don’t make the rest of the cluster fall on the sword for you and demand we all go to Crown with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow. Dufief wants to stay with their community, ideally all of the current cluster. They also want a safe building. Assuming the cluster actually stays the same, option H checks both of these boxes. In a perfect world, Wootton gets renovated on Wootton parkway and the cluster remains the same. However this is proving to not be realistic. There is no money.

Separately, Dufief was singled out in the first round and completely removed from their current Wootton community. I am saying it may have gone over much better with the Dufief community if they had also included other Wootton feeders that were actually in the same area as Dufief.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, no, saying it "slower" doesn't make your point any more logical. You say "They also want a safe building." This implies Wootton is unsafe. If the building is truly unsafe, your top priority as a parent is to get your kids somewhere safe even if their friends from other schools don't get to go with them.

Dufief also wasn't singled out. It is objectively the farthest from the cluster.

Also, no the cluster will not stay the same under H. I thought you were supposedly well-read on these issues.
First, modified versions of H have been floating for a while, including ones with the support of elected officials like Mayor of Gaithersburg.
Second, even if it is currently, what's going to happen with growth increases? Cold Spring and Fallsmead will be edge properties.
All H does is swap out Dufief as the edge property for current day Wootton with Cold Spring and Fallsmead as the edge properties of future day Crown.
H is another boundary study down the road.

If you think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yeesh. Why are you so angry? Let’s be civil. “Dufief wasn’t singled out it is the farthest from the cluster.” That may be the reason, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were the only school moved. As in, they felt singled out. Don’t be upset - this whole process is pinning everyone against each other and it’s scary and we all want what we think is best. I wish Dufief had the power you seem to think we do. We are so small…

Be civil? Look at how this conversation started. The Dufief poster became rude off the start. “You must be new here” and then the “This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow.”

Ok Jan.

You can make your point as slow or as fast as you want, doesn’t make your point any more logically consistent.

Again—if you think Wootton is actually unsafe, then support H AND A-D.

And you are right, Dufief is indeed small. So don’t make the rest of the cluster fall on the sword for you and demand we all go to Crown with you.

That Dufief poster didn’t start it. Look at 11:33 page 180. Someone came at Dufief super aggressively out of nowhere. Anger from the jump.

PS Dufief also supports e-g. I’m sure they’d be happy to go along w the broader Wootton community if they could stop being scared of crown long enough to choose a real option to support.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow. Dufief wants to stay with their community, ideally all of the current cluster. They also want a safe building. Assuming the cluster actually stays the same, option H checks both of these boxes. In a perfect world, Wootton gets renovated on Wootton parkway and the cluster remains the same. However this is proving to not be realistic. There is no money.

Separately, Dufief was singled out in the first round and completely removed from their current Wootton community. I am saying it may have gone over much better with the Dufief community if they had also included other Wootton feeders that were actually in the same area as Dufief.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, no, saying it "slower" doesn't make your point any more logical. You say "They also want a safe building." This implies Wootton is unsafe. If the building is truly unsafe, your top priority as a parent is to get your kids somewhere safe even if their friends from other schools don't get to go with them.

Dufief also wasn't singled out. It is objectively the farthest from the cluster.

Also, no the cluster will not stay the same under H. I thought you were supposedly well-read on these issues.
First, modified versions of H have been floating for a while, including ones with the support of elected officials like Mayor of Gaithersburg.
Second, even if it is currently, what's going to happen with growth increases? Cold Spring and Fallsmead will be edge properties.
All H does is swap out Dufief as the edge property for current day Wootton with Cold Spring and Fallsmead as the edge properties of future day Crown.
H is another boundary study down the road.

If you think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yeesh. Why are you so angry? Let’s be civil. “Dufief wasn’t singled out it is the farthest from the cluster.” That may be the reason, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were the only school moved. As in, they felt singled out. Don’t be upset - this whole process is pinning everyone against each other and it’s scary and we all want what we think is best. I wish Dufief had the power you seem to think we do. We are so small…

Be civil? Look at how this conversation started. The Dufief poster became rude off the start. “You must be new here” and then the “This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow.”

Ok Jan.

You can make your point as slow or as fast as you want, doesn’t make your point any more logically consistent.

Again—if you think Wootton is actually unsafe, then support H AND A-D.

And you are right, Dufief is indeed small. So don’t make the rest of the cluster fall on the sword for you and demand we all go to Crown with you.

You don't make Wootton parents look good.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the final recommended option is to move Wootton to Crown + Rosemont and Fieldsroad ESs, and then start to use Wootton as a holding school for Damascus and the other HS that are on the priority list, then eventually renovate Wootton, and move Wootton students back after like 10-15 years. Would Wootton family be happy with this option?

No

No Damascus parent wants HS kids driving to Wootton in Rockville or Crown.

Not following this closely but as a Damascus parent who went to the cluster meeting at Damascus HS where Taylor spoke option H was laughed at by everyone including Taylor. He even said *they* (central office) don't like that plan and not one parent took it seriously. The debate was purely between staying on site or going to Crown as a holding school and I think the room was evenly split.

Taylor is a politician. The way he has been talking to Wootton cluster is very different. He has told Adam Van Grack that there will be a holding school. It’s between Crown vs. Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Lol at this poster who either doesn’t get it or just doesn’t want to admit it.

KeEp tHe ClUsTeR together. Did you not read anything the other poster said?

Just admit Dufief rather Cold Spring and Fallsmead be the edge properties.

Meanwhile, I can’t believe you took the time to mix caps. I’m glad you did though, that never gets old and I’m not being sarcastic. Made me giggle.

OK now it’s time to get serious. Why are you trying to pin one school against another within the same cluster? This is the problem, it’s not like this is Sophie‘s Choice. Why can’t Dufief want to stay in the cluster without wanting to push another school out? That’s why many are in favor of option H, because nobody from our cluster gets pushed out. You also seemed very threatened of Dufief. Don’t be, we just want to be part of the Wootton cluster as we always have been. That’s it. Do you blame us? Wootton is great! Don’t be so angry!

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Lol at this poster who either doesn’t get it or just doesn’t want to admit it.

KeEp tHe ClUsTeR together. Did you not read anything the other poster said?

Just admit Dufief rather Cold Spring and Fallsmead be the edge properties.

Ohhhh now I get it. You are also a Wootton Walker! That's why you are so mad at Dufief

I mean yes no shit lol. All these people clowning on Wootton walkers as if they didn’t have the exact reaction. Again why are Dufief parents supporting H when they hated A-D.

If you think the building is truly unsafe, you should have been thrilled with A-D. If you really thought the building was unsafe for your kid, you wouldn’t have given a shit if Stone Mill and Travilah weren’t moving with you. You would feel bad that that they weren’t and you would’ve thought to yourself, man I’m so glad my kid is going to a safe school not OMG I can’t believe we’re the only ones who have been singled out. You would have framed it as WOW we’re the only lucky ones who are guaranteed to not go to an “objectively unsafe” school.

You don’t actually think the building is unsafe. You just don’t want to admit the real reason, which is you rather another neighborhood be the edge property.

Then the building is fine and they just want an upgrade thinking that they are better and deserve the best and who cares about the impact on other schools.

Are you dense or are you purposefully pretending to be stupid?
Do you think one day the building is safe and the next day all of a sudden it's unsafe?
Do I think Wootton is in pristine condition? No.
Do I think Wootton is in "objectively unsafe" conditions? Also no.
You do realize there is a HUGE spectrum of conditions between pristine/new condition and "objectively unsafe" right?

I think Wootton is somewhere in the middle.
I think renovations are indeed needed, but that doesn't mean the building is "objectively unsafe."
I think we should renovate based on urgent needs, in which case based on MCPS' VERY OWN FCI, Wootton should be one of the first schools in line to get fixed.

Lol it’s almost like the last year of Wootton complaining about how unsafe their school is never happened. Such gaslighting. You all got on TV and did school walk throughs to show how terrible the conditions are. And now that the county listened and is talking about moving you to a safe school you suddenly say it’s not that bad. Just bc you don’t want to get on a bus to school.

I was never one of those people.
I’d imagine those people are probably the ones that support H. And logically speaking, they should also support A-D if they believe Wootton to be objectively unsafe.


Stay consistent, friends!

What?! But you’re talking to Dufief like everyone thinks the exact same way. You didn’t do the tour of Wootton but some did. Some Dufief hated A-D and others didn’t say anything. We are consistent, friend! But seriously - we are so small. We didn’t create the options. We’re just doing the survey like everyone and there are so many more in all other neighborhoods than Dufief. Why are you hating so much and can’t let it go? We’re cluster buddies.