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Why is Blake Lively so overrated?
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Anonymous
She never said they didn't have any IC coordinator though. She wanted one on set at all times. |
Anonymous
1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread). 2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect. So it's not exactly black and white, is it? |
Anonymous
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- Lively can be a vile human being AND Baldoni can be a vile human being.
- if Lively's claims against Baldoni are true and without mitigating context, then that's a clear case of sexual harassment. - I firmly believe that Lively willingly slept with Harvey Weinstein in exchange for his promoting her career. She made movies with pedo Woody Allen after the allegations of child rape and after he married his partner's daughter who he helped raise since she was a child. She's a classic mean girl who attacks other women. She's no feminist ally. But none of that matters if Baldoni sexually harassed her. Everyone is protected under law to be free from sexual harassment, regardless of the victim's own character. - The only things that matter are 1) Did Baldoni sexually harass Lively and/or others and 2) Did Baldoni engage in retaliation against Lively for her protected activity (reporting sexual harassment)? - Many times plaintiffs have a weak harassment case but then a very strong retaliation case. What matters is whether there was retaliation after blowing the whistle. - Hollyweird is an unusual workplace. Sexual content is often part of the job - as in this case. That blurs the lines a bit. It's not like Lively was a GS-12 working on her analytics report when (allegedly) Baldoni bit her lip and whispered lusty things into her ear. Context will be central to this case. - The bar for sexual harassment is higher than disorganized, incompetent, etc. - As for damages, Lively has the burden of proof that Baldoni's actions were the cause of her loss of income. This is an interesting case and I look forward to discovering the full set of facts when available. |
Anonymous
No one said it was black and white. And most people can assume when I said ‘no one’ I meant something more along the lines of ‘it would be hard to’ or ‘most people are unlikely to want to…’ People like you who immediately jump to black and white thinking like this often have personality disorders, IME |
Anonymous
I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend. |
Anonymous
I don’t think any actress sleeping with Harvey Weinstein makes them vile. He ruled the industry. Gwyneth left Hollywood after winning an Oscar, a career high, because she didn’t see a way forward without sleeping with him. Then, helped bust the story. Let’s just say these gatekeepers are the vile ones. Though, I’ll be waiting for your responses to say that these women should just be teachers and nurses instead of making a devils bargain. 3-2-1… |
Anonymous
Wow, a DARVO example in the wild. Look at it run. |
Anonymous
The retaliation case is very weak once the texts are reviewed in context. |
Anonymous
Well, we’ve heard plenty previously about what a jerk Blake is, but nothing about Justin being a harasser. Could he be? Of course. Or perhaps this is yet another instance of Blake being a jerk to a coworker, one who us refusing to sell her the rights to a film she wants. |
Anonymous
Sure, sure ."In context" being the operative words. You haven't even seen all texts so there is no way you could be so confident. |
Anonymous
It's almost as if someone with an agenda would dredge up years old stories to create the narrative that "she's a jerk!" It's straight out of the PR playbook and people fell for it. |
Anonymous
Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal. There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others. Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more." |
Anonymous
DP here. I agree the retaliation case is weak. But I agree with the PP here that Lively's team outlines a pretty clear cut case of sexual harassment if they can prove this stuff happened as she said. Nothing Justin has come out with really mitigates it, including like the text of her calling a beanie on her character sexy or inviting him to her trailer. I know people think that's exonerating but it's really just nibbling around the edges and doesn't get to the most explosive allegations. I think if she can prove the harassment claims, she'll win on those, but that any damages will be pretty limited to "pain and suffering" (which won't be a lot) because I think the retaliation case is weak and that Baldoni has very strong defenses on those, and that it will be next to impossible to prove she lost money as a result of the PR campaign against her and not due to her own actions/behavior. But I also think Lively would likely view that as a victory -- I think she cares way more about rehabbing her reputation than getting money out of Baldoni. |
Anonymous
Huh, all you need to do is watch a few interviews of her. I don’t read tabloids. |
Anonymous
Ashton Kutcher is a good example of why statements of support are meaningless. The questions was whether anyone outside of Blake accused him of sexual harassment, The answer is no. If someone else publicly can forward, that would strengthen the case a lot. It’s difficult to disprove a sexual harassment complaint with texts, the retaliation case was based on texts, so easier to call those into question. His responsive filings, due in a little more than 10 days, will reveal a lot more. If the case proceeds, the IC will be a key witness. |