Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

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I think people are just waiting to see how it plays out before jumping to his defense, especially after the NYT article. Again, I really don’t think “he’s always been nice to me!” has any sort of relevance in this type of issue, so why unnecessarily embroil yourself in this mess if you don’t have to. I imagine (if he’s not a tool) people are privately offering their support. It would start to be more significant if other victims stepped forward. I also don’t think “I stand with Blake” equates to “I saw him sexually harass” Blake. It often just means “I believe and support women.” I mean, how would the cast of traveling pants know anything one way or another. They don't. They’re just saying they support women, which is the PR thing to do. Nobody’s going to stand and say, “I believe and support men.”

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Anonymous wrote:- Lively can be a vile human being AND Baldoni can be a vile human being.
- if Lively's claims against Baldoni are true and without mitigating context, then that's a clear case of sexual harassment.
- I firmly believe that Lively willingly slept with Harvey Weinstein in exchange for his promoting her career. She made movies with pedo Woody Allen after the allegations of child rape and after he married his partner's daughter who he helped raise since she was a child. She's a classic mean girl who attacks other women. She's no feminist ally.

But none of that matters if Baldoni sexually harassed her. Everyone is protected under law to be free from sexual harassment, regardless of the victim's own character.
- The only things that matter are 1) Did Baldoni sexually harass Lively and/or others and 2) Did Baldoni engage in retaliation against Lively for her protected activity (reporting sexual harassment)?
- Many times plaintiffs have a weak harassment case but then a very strong retaliation case. What matters is whether there was retaliation after blowing the whistle.
- Hollyweird is an unusual workplace. Sexual content is often part of the job - as in this case. That blurs the lines a bit. It's not like Lively was a GS-12 working on her analytics report when (allegedly) Baldoni bit her lip and whispered lusty things into her ear. Context will be central to this case.
- The bar for sexual harassment is higher than disorganized, incompetent, etc.
- As for damages, Lively has the burden of proof that Baldoni's actions were the cause of her loss of income.

This is an interesting case and I look forward to discovering the full set of facts when available.

The retaliation case is very weak once the texts are reviewed in context.

All of this. I think Lively is slimely as ever. She dismissed and ignored Woody Allen's daughter only to cry victim herself. Where is her apology? Baldoni is a creep and I will never believe his feminist act. They both will go down but I am interested in what the other cast members have to say! What did they see? What did they hear? I don't think they're on Blake's side because of status.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Well, we’ve heard plenty previously about what a jerk Blake is, but nothing about Justin being a harasser. Could he be? Of course. Or perhaps this is yet another instance of Blake being a jerk to a coworker, one who is refusing to sell her the rights to a film she wants.

It's almost as if someone with an agenda would dredge up years old stories to create the narrative that "she's a jerk!" It's straight out of the PR playbook and people fell for it.

Huh, all you need to do is watch a few interviews of her. I don’t read tabloids.

I really don't care if she's not always lovely. Doesn't make it ok to sexually harass her.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

Masterson’s first jury was deadlocked, so at least one person found reasonable doubt. I did not follow that case at all, so don’t come at me. But innocent people have been convicted of crimes. Mila and Ashton might really believe with their whole heart and soul that he’s innocent. But in this climate, you are not supposed to support a white privileged male in any scenario involving sexual allegations. And that’s because women have been ignored and not believed for so long. But this other thing—where we 100% have to side with the woman because why would they lie—is obviously flawed. We have seen women lie—like that lady who called the cops on the black man in the park. Anyway I’ve gone on a tangent…

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Because people who speak up for him would be canceled if it turns out he did do something wrong—and really even if he didn’t. Nobody’s going to fault these women for supporting Blake. It’s just not the same at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Anna Kendrick seems to be an a-hole herself so not sure why people keep coming back to her. It's as if this is just typical Hollywood behavior but people want to act like Blake is the devil incarnate while giving everyone else a pass. Also lots of stories of her being rude to fans. It comes with the territory.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/13/anna-kendrick-accused-of-rude-behaviour-by-stylist-14074738/

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Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Anna Kendrick seems to be an a-hole herself so not sure why people keep coming back to her. It's as if this is just typical Hollywood behavior but people want to act like Blake is the devil incarnate while giving everyone else a pass. Also lots of stories of her being rude to fans. It comes with the territory.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/13/anna-kendrick-accused-of-rude-behaviour-by-stylist-14074738/

That link cracked me up because my sister used to work at a high end housewares boutique in LA and she dealt with a lot of celebs who came in to shop with interior designers or whatever. She's told a me a ton of terrible stories about like everyone of my favorite actors. I think like 80% of it is just that these people are famous, they are rich, they are used to having people kiss their a$$es every day and it makes them kind of awful. But also 20% is that they are regular people but people scrutinize their behavior very closely and also always want so much more from them. Like a regular customer who is kind of rude you might note it and think "okay, rude" but move now with your day. But a famous actress comes in and some part of you wants her to shine her light on you and I think people get much more miffed about even mildly rude behavior as a result. The smartest celebs are the ones who are over the top nice and accommodating because they know everyone is watching and hoping for a smile or a little piece of the glamour or whatever. It's a special celebrity quality and they don't all have it.

I think I'd make a really crappy celebrity because I don't like crowds or being asked a lot of questions and I get very annoyed with people for asking dumb questions or not being able to just leave an event when I'm tired. There would be so much dirt about me online and what an entitled B I am

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Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Anna Kendrick seems to be an a-hole herself so not sure why people keep coming back to her. It's as if this is just typical Hollywood behavior but people want to act like Blake is the devil incarnate while giving everyone else a pass. Also lots of stories of her being rude to fans. It comes with the territory.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/13/anna-kendrick-accused-of-rude-behaviour-by-stylist-14074738/

There will always be a backlash against women won’t smile, stay silent, or who “demand” to be paid for their labor to or be taken seriously.

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Anna Kendrick is able to pull off interview without looking like a complete jerk. Can’t say the same for Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Because people who speak up for him would be canceled if it turns out he did do something wrong—and really even if he didn’t. Nobody’s going to fault these women for supporting Blake. It’s just not the same at all.

Right, which is why people won't speak up if they think there's a chance the allegations are true. If what she was alleging in her complaint was just totally out of character for him or didn't jibe at all with other coworkers' experiences with him, I do think they would speak up if only to say "this doesn't sound like the Justin I know." I suspect this DOES sound like the Justin they know, even if this same behavior didn't become harassing in their dealings with him because maybe his behavior wasn't unwelcome in that setting but it was harassing on this particular set. And this ties their hands because they can't honestly say "I don't recognize the person described here" but they also can't defend this behavior because when you read it in the complaint it sounds very bad.

I go back to my previous assessment that he is a somewhat green director who is unprofessional and did not understand that his behavior was crossing lines and lacked the self-awareness to rein it in. It also sounds like everyone at Wayfarer might have egged each other on and that helped to validate their behavior even as Lively and, it sounds like, other members of the cast, were increasingly bothered by it.

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Anonymous wrote:Has Justin been complained about in about of his past gigs?

Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Because people who speak up for him would be canceled if it turns out he did do something wrong—and really even if he didn’t. Nobody’s going to fault these women for supporting Blake. It’s just not the same at all.

Right, which is why people won't speak up if they think there's a chance the allegations are true. If what she was alleging in her complaint was just totally out of character for him or didn't jibe at all with other coworkers' experiences with him, I do think they would speak up if only to say "this doesn't sound like the Justin I know." I suspect this DOES sound like the Justin they know, even if this same behavior didn't become harassing in their dealings with him because maybe his behavior wasn't unwelcome in that setting but it was harassing on this particular set. And this ties their hands because they can't honestly say "I don't recognize the person described here" but they also can't defend this behavior because when you read it in the complaint it sounds very bad.

I go back to my previous assessment that he is a somewhat green director who is unprofessional and did not understand that his behavior was crossing lines and lacked the self-awareness to rein it in. It also sounds like everyone at Wayfarer might have egged each other on and that helped to validate their behavior even as Lively and, it sounds like, other members of the cast, were increasingly bothered by it.

It’s pretty darn rare to have a single complainant sexual harassment case.

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Anonymous wrote:Anna Kendrick is able to pull off interview without looking like a complete jerk. Can’t say the same for Blake.

Not when she's making fun of regular people. It's not so cute.

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Seems like his other co-stars really liked him.

Blake on the other hand. . .

I have never read anything bad about him. He seems to be friends with his past co-stars.

Except that podcaster. Oops.

She hasn’t accused him of any misbehavior with her.

She also hasn't said a word in support or even said "I didn't experience any inappropriate behavior in working with him." It's been weeks and Baldoni could definitely use the backup. This is someone who worked in very close proximity to him for several years. I find that odd.

Especially since there's a third host, Jamey Heath, who is also mentioned in Lively's complaint (he was a co-producer on It Ends With Us and the one Lively accuses of entering the makeup trailer while she was topless and having body makeup applied and insisting on having a conversation with her in that state).

One potential reason for her silence could be that she is a potential witness in both Lively's lawsuit and any potential lawsuit Baldoni might file against Lively. I wonder of Baldoni or Heath ever talked about Lively or what happened on the set with Plank.

More realistically, it’s a terrible optic in 2025 for someone whose entire brand is feminism to say she doesn’t believe a fellow woman. She pulled back from the podcast a few months ago, which says to me she wasn’t sure what to do, not that she was sure he was some creep. Liz Plank was in an impossible situation, and in fact very few people are going to publicly support anyone who is accused of what he’s been accused of. He’s maybe got his mom.

This. No one wants to stand up and defend someone accused of harassment in today’s woke environment. I personally don’t think woody Allen is a pedophile, but you can bet I’m not going to pronounce that in many of my female social circles. Why would I want the headache?

1) Gina Rodriguez, Baldoni's costar on Jane the Virgin, has defended him. So it's not true that "no one" will defend someone accused of harassment. He's also been defended by Megyn Kelly (see the clips posted earlier in this thread).

2) I don't know if Woody Allen meets the strict definition of a pedophile since I don't know exactly what he's done, but the reason I'd never defend him in any situation is because even if he's not technically a pedo, is obviously very gross and pervy. He married his step-daughter. He once cast himself opposite a teenage Mariel Hemingway (in Manhattan) and then tried to seduce her, asking her if she'd go to Paris with him and other weird, gross, inappropriate things. And despite all this, lots of people in Hollywood defend him, or at least are willing to work with him without commenting on his grossness in this respect.

So it's not exactly black and white, is it?

I haven’t heard anything from Gina since the lawsuit. In this type of situation, you really can’t say, “well he never harassed me.” That doesn’t even matter—so people are just going to keep their mouth shut. And who can even blame them? People freak out if you defend someone accused of a crime. Look at how angry people are at Ashton Kutcher? They freaking hate him for standing by his friend.

Is Ashton a good example? Danny Masterson was a convicted rapist. So they weren't defending him against mere allegations. They were defending him after Masterson was convicted. That's why there was such a strong reaction. I think you'd see that if any celebrity decided to write a "character letter" for someone convicted of a violent crime. It's very extreme. And then Ashton handled it really weirdly (those apology videos he and Mila did were strange) and there's the whole Scientology angle. That was abnormal.

There are lots of examples of people standing up for celeb friends when they are in hot water for even pretty awful behavior. Jodi Foster stood by Mel Gibson through all his crap. Lorne Michaels, Tina Fey, and others have supported Alec Baldwin through a bunch of stuff. Plenty of people continue to work with and defend Woody Allen. There are others.

Maybe Baldoni's problem is that he's not famous or talented enough. But the total lack of support from anyone who has worked with him also makes you wonder if maybe people aren't totally surprised. His only public defenders are his lawyer and people who support his lawyer (like Megyn Kelly). No one else in Hollywood seems eager to stand up for him or even to say "well let's wait until we know more."

They would have to be total morons to stand up for him. Not necessarily because he's guilty (I have no opinion on that), but because it would be a VERY bad look to support a man v. a woman with those types of claims looming. So people are keeping quiet. Note that other people who worked with Lively like Anna Kendrick could support her publicly, and they don't. So I don't think this is meaningful to the case or indicates anything.

I don't know why you are fixated on Anna Kendrick. A lot of people who have worked with Lively in the past have spoken up in support of her. Actors, directors, people who have worked with her on her product branding. I don't know why apparently Anna Kendrick is the arbiter here (side note: I find both Anna Kendrick AND Blake Lively very annoying and it doesn't surprise me they wouldn't get along on set because they both have Main Character Syndrome, but that's not really dispositive on whether or not Lively was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni).

No one is speaking up for Justin. It is odd that people have been pretty vocal in support of Lively (including people from this movie) but that no one has spoken up for Justin. So it's not that everyone is staying quiet and waiting it out. It's that among the people who know these individuals the best, Lively's friends and colleagues are supporting her and Justin's are staying mum.

Because people who speak up for him would be canceled if it turns out he did do something wrong—and really even if he didn’t. Nobody’s going to fault these women for supporting Blake. It’s just not the same at all.

Right, which is why people won't speak up if they think there's a chance the allegations are true. If what she was alleging in her complaint was just totally out of character for him or didn't jibe at all with other coworkers' experiences with him, I do think they would speak up if only to say "this doesn't sound like the Justin I know." I suspect this DOES sound like the Justin they know, even if this same behavior didn't become harassing in their dealings with him because maybe his behavior wasn't unwelcome in that setting but it was harassing on this particular set. And this ties their hands because they can't honestly say "I don't recognize the person described here" but they also can't defend this behavior because when you read it in the complaint it sounds very bad.

I go back to my previous assessment that he is a somewhat green director who is unprofessional and did not understand that his behavior was crossing lines and lacked the self-awareness to rein it in. It also sounds like everyone at Wayfarer might have egged each other on and that helped to validate their behavior even as Lively and, it sounds like, other members of the cast, were increasingly bothered by it.

It’s pretty darn rare to have a single complainant sexual harassment case.

There's always a first time.