Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

A close family member would have had a more savvy way to get in the house rather than having a staring contest with the Nest camera (that they probably helped install) and then throwing a flower over it.
If it was the inheritance they were after, there are much easier and less risky ways to off someone than dragging them out of their home, hiding the body, and faking a ransom. All while capturing the nation’s attention. They could have snuck in the house and covered her face with a pillow. I don’t think Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mom dying in her sleep would have gotten quite as many headlines. There certainly wouldn’t be a 180 page dcum thread. Maybe they would be able to examine her to see if she was suffocated, but I doubt they would suspect foul play and request that.

A close family member kidnapping her is unlikely because it would be difficult for them to hide their sudden wealth. So this would only be possible if it was a debt that Savannah or her mother would not help with. They probably would have previously asked though, so Savannah would know about the debt and suspect them.

I do hope you are right about the pool boy.

There’s apparently so few elderly kidnappings that the statistics are not even tracked.

Because professional kidnappers know kidnapping an elderly person for ransom is pointless as they might die in transit (likely what happened to nancy)

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A lot of people already have backpacks. They don't need a special new one to pull off a crime purchased right before it happens. It's a needle in a haystack.

The fact that it's a needle in a haystack IS THE WHOLE POINT.

So yes, they DO need a special new one.

No one (except maybe you, apparently) would be dumb enough to use an old backpack that someone might recognize.

Better to use the most widely sold, generic backpack available.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

84 is not that old. Do you know how many people there are in Pima county over 100? A lot. they used to have an annual party. But then the group got too big and the county didn’t want to pay for it anymore. My mom in Tucson has a neighbor that just turned 100 and lives independently with her little dog. She had a big party and the whole neighborhood went.

That is not typical for 80+ years old women.

I live in a neighborhood with a lot of seniors over 80 in their own homes. There are also families with young children.
Some of the 80+ year old seniors are working jobs. One guy replaced his roof with his son.

Please don't be ageist.

Yes, nowadays it’s not that unusual. I have known numerous relatives and their friends who were very active through their 80s and even into their 90s.

Nice heartwarming anecdotes, but 84 is old, and it's not ageist to say so. Especially so when you can't walk 50 yards, have significant heart disease, and HB, as most people in their 80s do. Sure, some will have some productive years, but the decline is real, and the end is near. And were any of those older folks to be abducted and forced to forego their medication, then the end would be even closer. So there you have it. If it seems like you are surrounded by really old people, it's probably because you live in AZ or Florida... the fact remains there are only about 2 million people in this country that are 90+, 6~ million people over 85, and 20~ million over 80. You do the math... folks start dropping like flies after 85 and even more so after 90. And the large majority are disabled in one form or another to some degree, well before they take their final stroll into the sunset.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a world in which this crime was supposed to just be perceived as a missing persons case? As in whoever committed the crime simply wanted everyone to think Nancy went missing by wandering off?

Instead, the press exploded and it spiraled into fake ransom letters, crime scene investigations, and more?

Now the actual criminal is as flabbergasted as the general public about what to do next?

I think that’s a likely explanation. Burglary gone bad, the perp panicked and thought if he removed the body people would just issue a silver alert and assume she got disoriented and wandered off into the desert. My guess is blood is because she fell when was startled getting out of bed and hit her head on furniture or tile floor, or he hit her in the face/head with flashlight or his backpack or something. I don’t think the perp is very smart though.

Nothing was stolen. Nothing was missing they said except Nancy.

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Anonymous wrote:2/23 Press Updates: There’s a pool cleaner at the house today.


What could they be looking for 13 days later in the pool?!

Could be her regular pool maintenance and nothing interesting. I presume someone would have already checked the skimmer.

Yeah you can’t let a pool go weeks without maintenance. You’ll get mustard algae and other crap that’s really hard to get rid of. That was one of my “chores” as a teen and it s—cked.

The house is an active crime scene! That should be at the bottom of their worries unless they know she’s returning! No one is staying there right now now.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Walmart, Home Depot, and all those other places still have you on camera shoplifting.

Yeah but not if this was planned a year ago or even months ago. Footage is often taped over and there’s no proof this person was even local.

Loss prevention departments will retain this footage and track shoplifters. But I doubt it was shoplifted here. You know the saying - don't commit a crime while you're committing a crime.

If the shoplifter looked black or dark and of Latino origin, or just dark, you might be onto something, but no theft loss department is following the movements of a white guy or even a light-complexioned Asian person in the local Walmart. Everyone knows they can rob a store blind and get away with it. Profiling has its limitations. Which is why their first suspect was a Latino man with brown skin?

This lady is white, and she was most likely done in by a family member, another white person... what's up with the FBI? I thought they had the best profilers on staff. It's the obvious person, the kooky relative, not the random brown person who happened to have been in the neighborhood, but this is Trump's FBI, so of course it had to be the brown Latino guy. That would have been a great counter to their bad press, and all the bad feels generated by the ICE toxic crackdown on the hardworking, head-down, Latino Minnesotans and their bunny-hatted toddlers.

Shoplifting while white, 99.9% of the time, you get away with it.

It's the local cops making the mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:2/23 Press Updates: There’s a pool cleaner at the house today.


What could they be looking for 13 days later in the pool?!

Could be her regular pool maintenance and nothing interesting. I presume someone would have already checked the skimmer.

Yeah you can’t let a pool go weeks without maintenance. You’ll get mustard algae and other crap that’s really hard to get rid of. That was one of my “chores” as a teen and it s—cked.

The house is an active crime scene! That should be at the bottom of their worries unless they know she’s returning! No one is staying there right now now.

Who is worried about it? They come on a weekly schedule and she probably has the services charged to her credit card which wouldn’t be canceled. So they will come unless someone tells them not to. It would be more pain to try to cancel it than not.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

A close family member would have had a more savvy way to get in the house rather than having a staring contest with the Nest camera (that they probably helped install) and then throwing a flower over it.
If it was the inheritance they were after, there are much easier and less risky ways to off someone than dragging them out of their home, hiding the body, and faking a ransom. All while capturing the nation’s attention. They could have snuck in the house and covered her face with a pillow. I don’t think Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mom dying in her sleep would have gotten quite as many headlines. There certainly wouldn’t be a 180 page dcum thread. Maybe they would be able to examine her to see if she was suffocated, but I doubt they would suspect foul play and request that.

A close family member kidnapping her is unlikely because it would be difficult for them to hide their sudden wealth. So this would only be possible if it was a debt that Savannah or her mother would not help with. They probably would have previously asked though, so Savannah would know about the debt and suspect them.

I do hope you are right about the pool boy.

Agree that this is not a close family member- if someone was after an inheritance, there is zero reason to take her vs. just have the person "die in their sleep." Also, if someone dies in their sleep, the inheritance is distributed a lot faster and with less fuss than if they go missing.

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Anonymous wrote:2/23 Press Updates: There’s a pool cleaner at the house today.


What could they be looking for 13 days later in the pool?!

Could be her regular pool maintenance and nothing interesting. I presume someone would have already checked the skimmer.

Yeah you can’t let a pool go weeks without maintenance. You’ll get mustard algae and other crap that’s really hard to get rid of. That was one of my “chores” as a teen and it s—cked.

The house is an active crime scene! That should be at the bottom of their worries unless they know she’s returning! No one is staying there right now now.

The perp who is responsible is really lucky the cops are so dimwitted in Tucson that they left the home completely wide open 2 weeks into a missing person /homicide investigation

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A lot of people already have backpacks. They don't need a special new one to pull off a crime purchased right before it happens. It's a needle in a haystack.

The fact that it's a needle in a haystack IS THE WHOLE POINT.

So yes, they DO need a special new one.

No one (except maybe you, apparently) would be dumb enough to use an old backpack that someone might recognize.

Better to use the most widely sold, generic backpack available.

Nice try. Any criminal worth their salt would realize that other criminals are undone by their recent Home Depot purchases of duct tape, rope, and a shovel. Don’t quit your day job.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

84 is not that old. Do you know how many people there are in Pima county over 100? A lot. they used to have an annual party. But then the group got too big and the county didn’t want to pay for it anymore. My mom in Tucson has a neighbor that just turned 100 and lives independently with her little dog. She had a big party and the whole neighborhood went.

That is not typical for 80+ years old women.

I live in a neighborhood with a lot of seniors over 80 in their own homes. There are also families with young children.
Some of the 80+ year old seniors are working jobs. One guy replaced his roof with his son.

Please don't be ageist.

Yes, nowadays it’s not that unusual. I have known numerous relatives and their friends who were very active through their 80s and even into their 90s.

Nice heartwarming anecdotes, but 84 is old, and it's not ageist to say so. Especially so when you can't walk 50 yards, have significant heart disease, and HB, as most people in their 80s do. Sure, some will have some productive years, but the decline is real, and the end is near. And were any of those older folks to be abducted and forced to forego their medication, then the end would be even closer. So there you have it. If it seems like you are surrounded by really old people, it's probably because you live in AZ or Florida... the fact remains there are only about 2 million people in this country that are 90+, 6~ million people over 85, and 20~ million over 80. You do the math... folks start dropping like flies after 85 and even more so after 90. And the large majority are disabled in one form or another to some degree, well before they take their final stroll into the sunset.

+1 So true. Thank you for your commonsense post.

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Anonymous wrote:The old lady is almost certainly dead by now, people. She had a bad ticker. If she was abducted, i have a feeling she kicked it and the kidnappers are all "oh shit now what do we do" or whatever.

I hope she's alive but this is getting more and more likely. The FBI probably lost a lot of efficient staff, along with most other federal agencies. I would trust the local sheriff to do a better job now.

The local sheriff has been screwing everything up. He needs to accept help from the FBI.

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A lot of people already have backpacks. They don't need a special new one to pull off a crime purchased right before it happens. It's a needle in a haystack.

The fact that it's a needle in a haystack IS THE WHOLE POINT.

So yes, they DO need a special new one.

No one (except maybe you, apparently) would be dumb enough to use an old backpack that someone might recognize.

Better to use the most widely sold, generic backpack available.

Nice try. Any criminal worth their salt would realize that other criminals are undone by their recent Home Depot purchases of duct tape, rope, and a shovel. Don’t quit your day job.

Who says he bought it all together and at once?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Walmart, Home Depot, and all those other places still have you on camera shoplifting.

Yeah but not if this was planned a year ago or even months ago. Footage is often taped over and there’s no proof this person was even local.

Loss prevention departments will hang on to this footage and track shoplifters. But I doubt it was shoplifted here. You know the saying - don't commit a crime while you're committing a crime.

Quick Google shows 4,600-4,800 Walmarts in the States. It seems impossible to track one black backpack down across all those stores. I mean, eBay and Poshmark both sell the same model. Poshmark has one up right now.

There’s only about 4 Walmarts in the Tucson area that would sell stuff like backpacks I think. I assume they’ve already pulled those records if they are marginally competent. Hopefully Walmart didn’t make them get a subpoena.

A lot of people already have backpacks. They don't need a special new one to pull off a crime purchased right before it happens. It's a needle in a haystack.

Good law enforcement work is chasing down these little threads with the hope that one of them pings. The bag actually looks pretty new in the photos (still has good shape, no fraying on straps) so there’s a decent chance it was purchased recently. Everything is kind of a needle in a haystack but if you’re looking for something important buried in a haystack, you go through it all carefully. I also think the jacket might be a good lead — it is actually kind of an unusual jacket.

+1000. Finally. There is intelligent life on DCUM

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Something is weird about this whole case.

I fear something has already happened to her.

Her family knows something.

This is scary and frightening.