Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I hope both of them lose. Vasquez was more obnoxious than effective today. She would have alienated me had I been on the jury.

Vasquez is an angry harpie who looks like she gets away with a lot of sh$& because she’s young and female and semi-attractive. Sorry. I would not be happy if I was her client. Why are people saying she is a goddess? And a queen. Today I read “legend”. It is disturbing.

The comments in the live chats are equally disturbing. Well over 95% pro depp no matter any of the evidence given to them about his “monster” drug and alcohol addiction behavior.

AH was correct in her assessment of the public’s vitriol towards her. She is marked for life in a way JD will not be.

Camille Vasquez was paid to do one job. To make Heard crack. Depp and his paid oligarchs are controlling the social media narrative and this case. Camille is and forever will be the uglier “c**t” in Depp’s revolving door of “lackeys.” You realize that he hired this motley crew of attorneys to taunt and abuse Heard. Look at Ben Chew, that dopey mofo is is constantly chewing, I kid you not. Watch the end of Heard’s final testimony when she leaves the stand. Watch what Camille and Chewy closely. Chewy is in fact chewing gummy bears and practically walks right into her. And CV is stares her down. They were hired to antagonize Heard for 6 weeks and force her to lose her shït, lash out, and show anger. Too bad Heard is smarter than them. Read Depp's text that I posted on p.170 19:34. She practically begged the jury to read the text. He states that he will ruin her and hopes she dies. Read it. Heard’s closing testimony is astoundingly the truth. As I said earlier, I applaud her if she got a few punches in during those years. Then I’ll applaud her for winning this case. Don’t sleep on Elaine either. That woman is tireless and unshakable.

Of course a lawyer, any lawyer, is hired to win the case.

I believe Ms. Vasquez was used in cross a) because she's good at thinking on her feet and b) yes, Ms. Heard did not seem to react well to her. If someone gets under your skin they can use that to their advantage. It's done often in a court of law.

Both teams are trying to win the case for their clients. That's what they were hired to do. I don't understand judging them for trying to do their jobs.

I'm not sure how counsel using their strengths is seen as inappropriate or how anyone is expected to get a fair trial if the first rule is to "play nice." Spend time sitting in a courtroom. It's often ugly and very sad.

The last cross examination of Amber Heard by Camille was antagonistic. It's the manner in which she treated Amber. It was aggressive and unnecessary. Who says you can't say the same things, or trap her in a lie, etc, in a more civil tone. It seems incongruous to be so fakey obsequious to the judge and say Your Honor and stand up when the jury leaves, and then be allowed to lash out on a witness.

Maybe they're sick of her theatrics, oh poor me, the helpless, abused wife? Maybe they want to show the jury the aggressive and argumentative Amber, the type that would instigate arguments with Depp? Her seamless switching from helpless Amber to the angry Amber and then back again to the helpless Amber with a wobble in her voice within seconds tells me it's all an act on her part. I think Vasquez was effective in getting a rise out of Heard. CV didn't allow AH to play the role of the helpless wife and she got her to say that she wrote the Op ed when she had previously denied it

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if the judge decided they had to pay each other a dollar and go home?

I'm leaning more toward JD if I had to pick a side but I think that awarding $1 do each would be a great outcome. They both contributed to the abusive relationship. They were both wrong and really should have kept their private business private. I also think that they should be made to do some type of community service that deals with domestic abuse.

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I just want to step in and say that, while I grew up a JD fan, that's not why I believe him. Some AH supporters here are painting Johnny fans as people who side with the man always, upholders of the powerful patriarchy or whatever.

My bias is 100% about AH's Borderline Personality Disorder. I grew up with an abusive BPD mom, and once you know a BPD, you can't help it with the pattern recognition. BPDs will tell any lie to save their image (which to them feels like saving their very life), they absolutely will invent abuse to get back at someone (it is a favorite tactic), they will deny something that you just saw happen 5 minutes ago, they lie so much you start to wonder if they believe their own lies (no one knows for sure), they know that a big lie is better than a small "weak" lie, and they laugh at those they have deceived. They believe everyone else is just as corrupt as they are (like, "you would have done the same thing" and "the others are all liars"). Oh, and they LOVE to appear all charitable and selfless, like they are standing up for a cause ("I wrote an op-ed, now I'm just like Angelina Jolie!"), giving money to charity (or rather just lying about it), and sometimes legitimately doing good works (but for the wrong reasons).

This doesn't mean that a person with BPD can't also be a victim though. I think people with BPD are often victims, actually. But I don't believe it in this case, because Johnny does not fit any patterns that I know. He's been consistent. I relate to his need for truth. I don't agree that he went through all this just to abuse Amber. I believe he needed to do this for himself.

He had a good record before Amber. Yes, he admits to drug and alcohol abuse, but she was abusing drugs and alcohol too, so I don't buy the whole, "He probably can't remember what he did!" You know, she might not remember what happened either, in her drunken state, and anyway, it's her pattern to LIE.

So now it will be over. I look forward to reading about the closing arguments tomorrow.

As far as "which side is right," if it matters a lot to you, I believe it will become clear when you see how each of them live out the rest of their lives. I am feeling optimistic for Johnny, that he puts this behind him and goes on to better things.

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Anonymous wrote:This trial should never have been televised. Why was it? The masses are not able to make objective legal conclusions with the evidence they are given. How can anyone ignore the texts from Depp to Heard apologizing for his "monster" behavior? (Which, by the way, way to transfer the blame on Mr. Hyde, Dr. Jekyl). or him bellowing on the plane? THe psycho painting on the mirrors, which looks like paint, not blood? etc etc.

I think the judge made the decision to allow TV to avoid the crazy crowds that would have lined up to get a seat in court otherwise. JD team were okay with it and AH team didn't want to.

There were crazy crowds anyway. people lined up the day before. I saw one article that an 11 year old slept on the ground in line There were alpacas. People came from all over the country. Probably more crowds with it being televised because more flocked to it to try to get in. This judge knew what she was doing. Avoid the crazy crowds my foot. The people outside were booing amber HEard and saying all kinds of smack. No one was booing Johnny , looks like . Very one-sided. Just a major publicity stunt for him.

Please let this be a typo.

I just Googled. It's not. This country has gone insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope both of them lose. Vasquez was more obnoxious than effective today. She would have alienated me had I been on the jury.

Vasquez is an angry harpie who looks like she gets away with a lot of sh$& because she’s young and female and semi-attractive. Sorry. I would not be happy if I was her client. Why are people saying she is a goddess? And a queen. Today I read “legend”. It is disturbing.

The comments in the live chats are equally disturbing. Well over 95% pro depp no matter any of the evidence given to them about his “monster” drug and alcohol addiction behavior.

AH was correct in her assessment of the public’s vitriol towards her. She is marked for life in a way JD will not be.

this. I'm shocked at the number of people that hate her because of what?? She's not as famous? What happened to believing the victims? I think they are both abusive but even if she wins she will lose because people hate her. it's crazy

Because she's no more a "victim" than he is.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope both of them lose. Vasquez was more obnoxious than effective today. She would have alienated me had I been on the jury.

Vasquez is an angry harpie who looks like she gets away with a lot of sh$& because she’s young and female and semi-attractive. Sorry. I would not be happy if I was her client. Why are people saying she is a goddess? And a queen. Today I read “legend”. It is disturbing.

The comments in the live chats are equally disturbing. Well over 95% pro depp no matter any of the evidence given to them about his “monster” drug and alcohol addiction behavior.

AH was correct in her assessment of the public’s vitriol towards her. She is marked for life in a way JD will not be.

Camille Vasquez was paid to do one job. To make Heard crack. Depp and his paid oligarchs are controlling the social media narrative and this case. Camille is and forever will be the uglier “c**t” in Depp’s revolving door of “lackeys.” You realize that he hired this motley crew of attorneys to taunt and abuse Heard. Look at Ben Chew, that dopey mofo is is constantly chewing, I kid you not. Watch the end of Heard’s final testimony when she leaves the stand. Watch what Camille and Chewy closely. Chewy is in fact chewing gummy bears and practically walks right into her. And CV is stares her down. They were hired to antagonize Heard for 6 weeks and force her to lose her shït, lash out, and show anger. Too bad Heard is smarter than them. Read Depp's text that I posted on p.170 19:34. She practically begged the jury to read the text. He states that he will ruin her and hopes she dies. Read it. Heard’s closing testimony is astoundingly the truth. As I said earlier, I applaud her if she got a few punches in during those years. Then I’ll applaud her for winning this case. Don’t sleep on Elaine either. That woman is tireless and unshakable.

You are waaaaaay too hysterically emotionally invested in a celebrity trial of people who wouldn't give you the time of day. Seek therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:6 hrs left on the clock for Depp’s team and they put Heard back on the stand? There’s NO way her team advised that so she must have insisted on it. Her delusion is real!

She's batshit crazy. I hope the jury see's that. As a survivor of domestic abuse it's horrible she's trying to claim it.

Doesn’t actually matter if she’s crazy. I don’t think they proved the op-Ed caused a decline in his career. That’s what is on trial.

No it's not. The words in the Op Ed are what is referred to in the law as "defamatory per se." He only has to prove the elements of defamation, not damages. Damages are presumed if the jury finds that Depp proved the elements of defamation. Therefore, he doesn't have to prove that the Op Ed caused a decline in his career.

This is incorrect. If he proves defamation per se, damage to reputation is presumed but he still has to prove the extent of that harm to support his damages claim, and the presumption of harm can be rebutted. One way to rebut that presumed harm would be to show he already had a reputation as violent/abusive, so that her op-Ed did not actually affect his reputation. Moreover, even if the statements were false and did harm his reputation, he would not automatically get a judgment of $50 million unless he can support that as a reasonable measure of the extent of his damages. If his primary support for his damages claim is lost film roles and she can show that he actually lost those roles for other reasons that had nothing to do with her op-Ed, then he may not recover much of anything as damages.

I’m sure he doesn’t care about the damages. He just needs the judgment. She doesn’t have any money anyways!

A judgment in his favor with $1 in damages would be a huge slap to him because it would be a statement that, while the jury thinks it more likely than not that Heard lied in the op-Ed, they also think his reputation was such trash anyway that the op-Ed wasn’t really worse than what people already thought of him.

Nope. Not even close. He'd win both in court and in the court of public opinion. He would have already won if the award was a penny.

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When does this go to the jury?

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Is it possible that:

1) JD didn't sufficiently prove defamation in court

2) JD did, however, prove defamation in court of public opinion

3) AH didn't sufficiently prove her case either?

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I watch both depositions AH & JD. Not the whole thing! It occurred to me that Depp is certainly not suffering from brain damage as he spoke convincingly and clearly for 40 minutes without a pause telling his story. It may be fake but he’s a very convincing actor.
AH in the other hand just seems very angry and defensive. Angry is often not a great way to convince people of your story. It can feel right at the time but it’s not often effective. It causes people to push back and question. Therefore I don’t find her believable.
The evidence is not supporting her either.
So two loses. She just doesn’t seem convincing to me.

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Anonymous wrote:6 hrs left on the clock for Depp’s team and they put Heard back on the stand? There’s NO way her team advised that so she must have insisted on it. Her delusion is real!

She's batshit crazy. I hope the jury see's that. As a survivor of domestic abuse it's horrible she's trying to claim it.

Doesn’t actually matter if she’s crazy. I don’t think they proved the op-Ed caused a decline in his career. That’s what is on trial.

No it's not. The words in the Op Ed are what is referred to in the law as "defamatory per se." He only has to prove the elements of defamation, not damages. Damages are presumed if the jury finds that Depp proved the elements of defamation. Therefore, he doesn't have to prove that the Op Ed caused a decline in his career.

This is incorrect. If he proves defamation per se, damage to reputation is presumed but he still has to prove the extent of that harm to support his damages claim, and the presumption of harm can be rebutted. One way to rebut that presumed harm would be to show he already had a reputation as violent/abusive, so that her op-Ed did not actually affect his reputation. Moreover, even if the statements were false and did harm his reputation, he would not automatically get a judgment of $50 million unless he can support that as a reasonable measure of the extent of his damages. If his primary support for his damages claim is lost film roles and she can show that he actually lost those roles for other reasons that had nothing to do with her op-Ed, then he may not recover much of anything as damages.

I’m sure he doesn’t care about the damages. He just needs the judgment. She doesn’t have any money anyways!

A judgment in his favor with $1 in damages would be a huge slap to him because it would be a statement that, while the jury thinks it more likely than not that Heard lied in the op-Ed, they also think his reputation was such trash anyway that the op-Ed wasn’t really worse than what people already thought of him.

Nope. Not even close. He'd win both in court and in the court of public opinion. He would have already won if the award was a penny.

Most normal people are rolling their eyes that this trial is still going on at all. Most people are sick of hearing about it and aren’t impressed by either of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope both of them lose. Vasquez was more obnoxious than effective today. She would have alienated me had I been on the jury.

Vasquez is an angry harpie who looks like she gets away with a lot of sh$& because she’s young and female and semi-attractive. Sorry. I would not be happy if I was her client. Why are people saying she is a goddess? And a queen. Today I read “legend”. It is disturbing.

The comments in the live chats are equally disturbing. Well over 95% pro depp no matter any of the evidence given to them about his “monster” drug and alcohol addiction behavior.

AH was correct in her assessment of the public’s vitriol towards her. She is marked for life in a way JD will not be.

Camille Vasquez was paid to do one job. To make Heard crack. Depp and his paid oligarchs are controlling the social media narrative and this case. Camille is and forever will be the uglier “c**t” in Depp’s revolving door of “lackeys.” You realize that he hired this motley crew of attorneys to taunt and abuse Heard. Look at Ben Chew, that dopey mofo is is constantly chewing, I kid you not. Watch the end of Heard’s final testimony when she leaves the stand. Watch what Camille and Chewy closely. Chewy is in fact chewing gummy bears and practically walks right into her. And CV is stares her down. They were hired to antagonize Heard for 6 weeks and force her to lose her shït, lash out, and show anger. Too bad Heard is smarter than them. Read Depp's text that I posted on p.170 19:34. She practically begged the jury to read the text. He states that he will ruin her and hopes she dies. Read it. Heard’s closing testimony is astoundingly the truth. As I said earlier, I applaud her if she got a few punches in during those years. Then I’ll applaud her for winning this case. Don’t sleep on Elaine either. That woman is tireless and unshakable.

Of course a lawyer, any lawyer, is hired to win the case.

I believe Ms. Vasquez was used in cross a) because she's good at thinking on her feet and b) yes, Ms. Heard did not seem to react well to her. If someone gets under your skin they can use that to their advantage. It's done often in a court of law.

Both teams are trying to win the case for their clients. That's what they were hired to do. I don't understand judging them for trying to do their jobs.

I'm not sure how counsel using their strengths is seen as inappropriate or how anyone is expected to get a fair trial if the first rule is to "play nice." Spend time sitting in a courtroom. It's often ugly and very sad.

The last cross examination of Amber Heard by Camille was antagonistic. It's the manner in which she treated Amber. It was aggressive and unnecessary. Who says you can't say the same things, or trap her in a lie, etc, in a more civil tone. It seems incongruous to be so fakey obsequious to the judge and say Your Honor and stand up when the jury leaves, and then be allowed to lash out on a witness.

I think this was done intentionally to make AH react and lose her cool/drama. I noticed how AH switches mood when she was talking about her side of the story while Depp's lawyer kept objecting. It shows she's acting and it looked like the lawyers were succesful in that strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if the judge decided they had to pay each other a dollar and go home?

I'm leaning more toward JD if I had to pick a side but I think that awarding $1 do each would be a great outcome. They both contributed to the abusive relationship. They were both wrong and really should have kept their private business private. I also think that they should be made to do some type of community service that deals with domestic abuse.

They did it for the publicity. If anything they should refund the government for all the resources wasted on this farce

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Anonymous wrote:When does this go to the jury?

Closing arguments tomorrow I believe, then to the Jury.

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Anonymous wrote:When does this go to the jury?

Closing arguments tomorrow I believe, then to the Jury.

I feel so sorry for those people who had to sacrifice so many weeks of their lives for Johnny Depp’s ego trip. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.