Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:I thought this thread would find this tweet interesting - a successful and retired suspect sketcher sketched out what she believes the suspect looks like. I don’t know how to post images of tweets here but the link is below.

Kind of looks like a Latino tom welling (smallville actor) to me.

https://x.com/ginamilan_/status/2022351188117815395?s=46&t=uGDvux_Rehy8V5Lh240zFA

Really interesting to see her successful matches. Looks promising.

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What is puzzling is that the ransom has not been paid, which is confusing bc the Guthries said they would pay.The person who emailed tmz twice, saying they would tell who the abducter was, for 1 bitcoin has not reached out again. What is puzzling is why they would ask for 1 bitcoin vs just taking the reward if legit. TMZ is trying to chase down what they have as well to help law enforcement. Re the glove. There were multiple gloves found in that area, minimum 3,

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

84 is not that old. Do you know how many people there are in Pima county over 100? A lot. they used to have an annual party. But then the group got too big and the county didn’t want to pay for it anymore. My mom in Tucson has a neighbor that just turned 100 and lives independently with her little dog. She had a big party and the whole neighborhood went.

That is not typical for 80+ years old women.

I live in a neighborhood with a lot of seniors over 80 in their own homes. There are also families with young children.
Some of the 80+ year old seniors are working jobs. One guy replaced his roof with his son.

Please don't be ageist.

Yes, nowadays it’s not that unusual. I have known numerous relatives and their friends who were very active through their 80s and even into their 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:What is puzzling is that the ransom has not been paid, which is confusing bc the Guthries said they would pay.The person who emailed tmz twice, saying they would tell who the abducter was, for 1 bitcoin has not reached out again. What is puzzling is why they would ask for 1 bitcoin vs just taking the reward if legit. TMZ is trying to chase down what they have as well to help law enforcement. Re the glove. There were multiple gloves found in that area, minimum 3,

I’m sure lawyers and the FBI are advising Savannah on this.

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Anonymous wrote:What is puzzling is that the ransom has not been paid, which is confusing bc the Guthries said they would pay.The person who emailed tmz twice, saying they would tell who the abducter was, for 1 bitcoin has not reached out again. What is puzzling is why they would ask for 1 bitcoin vs just taking the reward if legit. TMZ is trying to chase down what they have as well to help law enforcement. Re the glove. There were multiple gloves found in that area, minimum 3,

Because they were scammers and not legit.

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Anonymous wrote:What is puzzling is that the ransom has not been paid, which is confusing bc the Guthries said they would pay.The person who emailed tmz twice, saying they would tell who the abducter was, for 1 bitcoin has not reached out again. What is puzzling is why they would ask for 1 bitcoin vs just taking the reward if legit. TMZ is trying to chase down what they have as well to help law enforcement. Re the glove. There were multiple gloves found in that area, minimum 3,

Send us forumites a Bitcoin and we will tell YOU! And then you can go collect the 100k reward.

See how that works?

Not "puzzling" at all.

Oh, and I have a swamp for sale if you are interested.

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Have we talked about why a kidnapper would send a ransom note to TMZ of all places?

Only people who were alive and young during the Perez Hilton days would know what TMZ is. And an even smaller subset would still deem them relevant in the overall media landscape.

The fact that these random notes were sent to local Tucson stations and tmz is strange.

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Anonymous wrote:Have we talked about why a kidnapper would send a ransom note to TMZ of all places?

Only people who were alive and young during the Perez Hilton days would know what TMZ is. And an even smaller subset would still deem them relevant in the overall media landscape.

The fact that these random notes were sent to local Tucson stations and tmz is strange.

No kidnapper sent a note to TMZ.

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Anonymous wrote:Have we talked about why a kidnapper would send a ransom note to TMZ of all places?

Only people who were alive and young during the Perez Hilton days would know what TMZ is. And an even smaller subset would still deem them relevant in the overall media landscape.

The fact that these random notes were sent to local Tucson stations and tmz is strange.

The kidnapper didn’t send the ransom note. An opportunist did.

Most people know TMZ. Maybe the opportunist thought it wound be fun to send it to them, and knew they’d run it on air.

Perez Hilton - lol.

I am curious how old you are ?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Walmart, Home Depot, and all those other places still have you on camera shoplifting.

Yeah but not if this was planned a year ago or even months ago. Footage is often taped over and there’s no proof this person was even local.

Loss prevention departments will retain this footage and track shoplifters. But I doubt it was shoplifted here. You know the saying - don't commit a crime while you're committing a crime.

If the shoplifter looked black or dark and of Latino origin, or just dark, you might be onto something, but no theft loss department is following the movements of a white guy or even a light-complexioned Asian person in the local Walmart. Everyone knows they can rob a store blind and get away with it. Profiling has its limitations. Which is why their first suspect was a Latino man with brown skin?

This lady is white, and she was most likely done in by a family member, another white person... what's up with the FBI? I thought they had the best profilers on staff. It's the obvious person, the kooky relative, not the random brown person who happened to have been in the neighborhood, but this is Trump's FBI, so of course it had to be the brown Latino guy. That would have been a great counter to their bad press, and all the bad feels generated by the ICE toxic crackdown on the hardworking, head-down, Latino Minnesotans and their bunny-hatted toddlers.

Shoplifting while white, 99.9% of the time, you get away with it.

Poor whites definitely get arrested often. You must not live in an area with a lot of poor white families.

Rich whites steal too.

I don’t think kleptomania is about anything but trying to outsmart authority and apparently it is quite addictive.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

84 is not that old. Do you know how many people there are in Pima county over 100? A lot. they used to have an annual party. But then the group got too big and the county didn’t want to pay for it anymore. My mom in Tucson has a neighbor that just turned 100 and lives independently with her little dog. She had a big party and the whole neighborhood went.

That is not typical for 80+ years old women.

I live in a neighborhood with a lot of seniors over 80 in their own homes. There are also families with young children.
Some of the 80+ year old seniors are working jobs. One guy replaced his roof with his son.

Please don't be ageist.

PP here. Actually, I'm an older DCUM poster and still working in a large public school system. I'm in great health and walk at least 4 miles daily. Will say again that most 80+ women in the United States are not living alone in a fairly large home.

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The tmz notes are done by scammers trying to take Savannah’s money. They don’t have Nancy

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Walmart, Home Depot, and all those other places still have you on camera shoplifting.

Yeah but not if this was planned a year ago or even months ago. Footage is often taped over and there’s no proof this person was even local.

Loss prevention departments will retain this footage and track shoplifters. But I doubt it was shoplifted here. You know the saying - don't commit a crime while you're committing a crime.

If the shoplifter looked black or dark and of Latino origin, or just dark, you might be onto something, but no theft loss department is following the movements of a white guy or even a light-complexioned Asian person in the local Walmart. Everyone knows they can rob a store blind and get away with it. Profiling has its limitations. Which is why their first suspect was a Latino man with brown skin?

This lady is white, and she was most likely done in by a family member, another white person... what's up with the FBI? I thought they had the best profilers on staff. It's the obvious person, the kooky relative, not the random brown person who happened to have been in the neighborhood, but this is Trump's FBI, so of course it had to be the brown Latino guy. That would have been a great counter to their bad press, and all the bad feels generated by the ICE toxic crackdown on the hardworking, head-down, Latino Minnesotans and their bunny-hatted toddlers.

Shoplifting while white, 99.9% of the time, you get away with it.

Poor whites definitely get arrested often. You must not live in an area with a lot of poor white families.

Rich whites steal too.

I don’t think kleptomania is about anything but trying to outsmart authority and apparently it is quite addictive.

Yes, but not nearly as many are arrested as poor whites.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

Hello, not all perps get busted, but the ones that do, on true crime shows, are often busted by buying a shovel, an industrial-sized box of zip ties, and plastic tarps, on video. Any criminal with half a brain knows by now not to buy your supplies in a big box store (cameras). But that's okay...

This isn't that difficult. A family member did it. They want their inheritance now, or maybe the initial plan was ransom money, which = serious gravy, had she survived the ordeal. But this is an 84-year-old. So, she probably stroked out in the trunk or had a massive heart attack. If that happened at this point, the body needs to be found sooner rather than later, because the only play is the inheritance. A good clean transfer of money.

People are greedy; many families are weird about money. One person has it, and someone else doesn't. Little chance her money was being willed to Guthrie, or at least that was the perps' thinking, so while she may not have been rolling in dough, she had enough to make a difference to someone. I've seen families ripped apart over much less.

The perpetrator is a very close family member who was annoyed that an 84-year-old woman was soaking up resources and wasn't dropping dead quickly enough for their liking. She was old, very, very old, past her expiration date, so maybe she was getting to be an expensive resource sucking pain in the petard, which made her expendable, so she needed to go now.

Or maybe she ran off with the pool boy and didn't want her kids interfering or ruining her fun. That would be a great ending to the story!

84 is not that old. Do you know how many people there are in Pima county over 100? A lot. they used to have an annual party. But then the group got too big and the county didn’t want to pay for it anymore. My mom in Tucson has a neighbor that just turned 100 and lives independently with her little dog. She had a big party and the whole neighborhood went.

That is not typical for 80+ years old women.

I live in a neighborhood with a lot of seniors over 80 in their own homes. There are also families with young children.
Some of the 80+ year old seniors are working jobs. One guy replaced his roof with his son.

Please don't be ageist.

PP here. Actually, I'm an older DCUM poster and still working in a large public school system. I'm in great health and walk at least 4 miles daily. Will say again that most 80+ women in the United States are not living alone in a fairly large home.

Every 80 year old in our families and church live on their own.

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2/23 Press Updates: There’s a pool cleaner at the house today.


What could they be looking for 13 days later in the pool?!