Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

Yes, your non red shirted kid turns 18 during their senior year. A redshirted kid would turn 19 during their senior year (further towards the end of the year, granted)

No. My redshirted kid will turn 19 two days before he leaves for college. He was 18 his entire senior year.

That isn't redshirting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My non-redshirted kid will be 18 his entire senior year.

and my red-shirted kid will be 18 her entire senior year.

Then your kid isn't redshirted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

Yes, your non red shirted kid turns 18 during their senior year. A redshirted kid would turn 19 during their senior year (further towards the end of the year, granted)

NP. That is redshirting for a summer birthday.

No. My redshirted kid will turn 19 two days before he leaves for college. He was 18 his entire senior year.

That isn't redshirting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

Yes, your non red shirted kid turns 18 during their senior year. A redshirted kid would turn 19 during their senior year (further towards the end of the year, granted)

NP. That is redshirting for a summer birthday.

No. My redshirted kid will turn 19 two days before he leaves for college. He was 18 his entire senior year.

That isn't redshirting.

Of course it is. You are redshirting if your kid has a summer birthday (or September, if you're in DC) but does not go to K until they are just turned 6 (or turning 6 in Sept). If they go to K at 5 (or turning 5 in Sept), they are not redshirted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t, because my kid is smart and mature.

This.

And my kid was capable of learning the material and following directions.

My 2nd kid is an October birthday, which around here means oldest in the class. He seems ready now, even though he had an entire year before K. Something tells me K will be pretty boring for him! But we'll see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My non-redshirted kid will be 18 his entire senior year.

and my red-shirted kid will be 18 her entire senior year.

Then your kid isn't redshirted.

sure she is. summer birthday and started K at 6.

[Anonymous]

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

and this matters how? you can't always be with your friends. that's life

[Anonymous]

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

[Anonymous]

DP. I honestly can't believe an anti-redshirter is this worked up about her kid not getting in the camp group she wants. It's like a satire or something. Yikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My non-redshirted kid will be 18 his entire senior year.

and my red-shirted kid will be 18 her entire senior year.

Then your kid isn't redshirted.

Man, anti-redshirters on DCUM are so dim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a non-redshirted late September birthday. I started college as a 17 year old.

Parents should make decisions based on what is best for their kids. DS is a late June birthday, we started him on time. He is annoyed that he cannot play many sports with his friends, in the same grade, because they were born in a different year. Academically he is great, he was accepted into AAP even though he is the third youngest kid in his class.

And yes, he knows he is the third youngest, not because we told him but because his classmates discuss when their birthdays are. He also knows the kids who are older because the kids discuss their birthdays and ages. The oldest kid in the class told me, in first grade, that he was in a different Den for Cub Scouts then my DS because he was older so he wanted to be in the older Den. I didn't ask him, he saw me at a Pack meeting and told me. Said kid has also told his classmates what other things he can do, different camps and the like, because he is older then they are. How do I know? My kid came home and said he wanted to do camp X next summer because it sounded cool but he was too young. So yes, some of the kids who are red shirted know about it and seem to care.

I suspect that the youngest/oldest stories fall over a wide range of responses based on the kids personalities and home environment.

This is really odd as our cub scouts always went by grade/not age. Same with most camps. A few were more age based but all but one were happy to take my child (but I am talking speciality camps) and one said no as they were not getting any younger kids and the average age was 14-15 vs. my child was 9 at the time, which made sense as even if he were a grade older they still may have called and not taken him. And, worst case, they wait till the next year. If anything its been nice to get in that extra year of the better/speciality camps as its gone by grade, not age.

[Anonymous]

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You are trying way too hard and are just wrong. Age groupings are just as arbitrary. Why does swim team have an August 1 cutoff, school has a Sept 30 cutoff, some sports have a calendar year cut off, and camp has a requirement that you be the age at the time of registration (so anywhere between January and July, if the camp doesn't fill up)? Peers aren't limited to those born the same month as you.

Social groupings matter. Classmates matter. It's not a race to finish your education before you die.

Because otherwise, your 16 year old 9th grader will be competing against a 14 year old 8th grader in the same competition. Given average maturation rates, is that fair?

It depends on the team and division. Ours has a December cut off for year round. Not sure what the summer cut off is but the summer is no big deal as it goes by speed/skill as well as age but the age is flexible by 3-4-5 years.

[Anonymous]

The sad truth is that a there are lot of parents out there who shouldn't be parents. After 5 years, most parents miss the alone time they used to have before becoming parents and are too stingy too pay for another year of daycare. Therefore, they just want to hurry their child off to school so can get those old times back. Subsequently, this means their child will go off to college earlier and they'll be alone in the house 24/7.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad truth is that a there are lot of parents out there who shouldn't be parents. After 5 years, most parents miss the alone time they used to have before becoming parents and are too stingy too pay for another year of daycare. Therefore, they just want to hurry their child off to school so can get those old times back. Subsequently, this means their child will go off to college earlier and they'll be alone in the house 24/7.

The majority of people send their kids on time and they are not bad parents. Wow.

[Anonymous]

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Forced to group? Oh the humanity! Go with the group you are supposed to be with. Isn’t that the entire point of the anti redshirters? I have a late summer birthday kid and he has friends in both grades. He has never complained about this grave injustice. Maybe your kid needs help with social skills.

I think you are being willfully obtuse.

If different activities have different cut offs, then some kids will be grouped with one cohort for one activity (school for example) and a different group for a different activitiy (Swimming or hockey for example)

So going with "the one you are supposed to be with" puts some people in a position of having different groups, or not being able to participate with their friends.

You are being willfully difficult. Your snowflakes doesn’t always get what they want. Camps and teams often split kids up anyway. Teach your kids to be flexible and resilient. Thought they were too smart and mature to even contemplate redshirting. You sure abut that?

It's one thing if a class is split in half between teams or camp groups. But for August or September birthdays, it's often only one kid who is left out. Surely you remember being a kid and how much that would suck, right? Now remember that the kid who is being excluded is the youngest for the grade and often struggles to keep up socially even without extra hurdles.

But sure, keep saying mean things and calling my kid names. That obviously makes the situation better.

--not pro or anti redshirting, but has a kid who wasn't redshirted but who sometimes wishes she'd redshirted her kid