CCL extincting

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

If ECNL moves to promotion/relegation between ECNL-R and ECNL leagues on a team by team basis - that would be a good thing and a significant improvement over CCL. If they were able to go further and unify more leagues into their structure preserving promotion/relegation that would be even better.

It turned out that it was impossible to get leagues to reach agreement on a single unified nationwide structure. If ECNL can Borg their way to the same goal then good for them!

Say you have a club with their A-team in ECNL and their B-team in ECNL-R, then the A-team gets relegated. Do you now have two teams from the same club in ECNL-R? I don't think clubs would want that.

Then they should coach 'em up so they don't get relegated.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

If ECNL moves to promotion/relegation between ECNL-R and ECNL leagues on a team by team basis - that would be a good thing and a significant improvement over CCL. If they were able to go further and unify more leagues into their structure preserving promotion/relegation that would be even better.

It turned out that it was impossible to get leagues to reach agreement on a single unified nationwide structure. If ECNL can Borg their way to the same goal then good for them!

Say you have a club with their A-team in ECNL and their B-team in ECNL-R, then the A-team gets relegated. Do you now have two teams from the same club in ECNL-R? I don't think clubs would want that.

Then they should coach 'em up so they don't get relegated.

Is this a thing currently or is this a concept?

If its only a concept then this would be interesting. Relegation could work but you would have to establish a system for the regional teams to move up to play in their respective ECNL conference.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

If ECNL moves to promotion/relegation between ECNL-R and ECNL leagues on a team by team basis - that would be a good thing and a significant improvement over CCL. If they were able to go further and unify more leagues into their structure preserving promotion/relegation that would be even better.

It turned out that it was impossible to get leagues to reach agreement on a single unified nationwide structure. If ECNL can Borg their way to the same goal then good for them!

Say you have a club with their A-team in ECNL and their B-team in ECNL-R, then the A-team gets relegated. Do you now have two teams from the same club in ECNL-R? I don't think clubs would want that.

Then they should coach 'em up so they don't get relegated.

Is this a thing currently or is this a concept?

If its only a concept then this would be interesting. Relegation could work but you would have to establish a system for the regional teams to move up to play in their respective ECNL conference.

What would you prefer me to say?

1. Nah. Better to just have relegation without promotion. That way, in a decade or so everyone would be in ECNL-R and no-one would be left in ECNL, or

2. Yes - relegation implies promotion too - well done, you absolute genius!

j/k.

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Lol.

I got that there would obviously need to be promotion in addition to relegation. I just wonder how you would do it. Aren’t there many more teams at the regional levels vs the conference? How would they go about filtering the best regional teams to move to conference play?

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Anonymous wrote:Lol.

I got that there would obviously need to be promotion in addition to relegation. I just wonder how you would do it. Aren’t there many more teams at the regional levels vs the conference? How would they go about filtering the best regional teams to move to conference play?

If you finish top (or top two depending on size of the league in question), you are promoted. If you finish bottom (or bottom two), you are relegated. That's the usual method.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol.

I got that there would obviously need to be promotion in addition to relegation. I just wonder how you would do it. Aren’t there many more teams at the regional levels vs the conference? How would they go about filtering the best regional teams to move to conference play?

If you finish top (or top two depending on size of the league in question), you are promoted. If you finish bottom (or bottom two), you are relegated. That's the usual method.

That was my thinking as well and I definitely see how this could keep the league competitive.

I just worry and correct me if I’m wrong but it appears as if there’s more teams in regional ECNL play than in conference play. So what happens when you have multiple top teams coming out of regional play? Would you hold a tournament to fight for the spots? Maybe round robin or double elimination style?

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Anonymous wrote:Lol.

I got that there would obviously need to be promotion in addition to relegation. I just wonder how you would do it. Aren’t there many more teams at the regional levels vs the conference? How would they go about filtering the best regional teams to move to conference play?

If you finish top (or top two depending on size of the league in question), you are promoted. If you finish bottom (or bottom two), you are relegated. That's the usual method.

That was my thinking as well and I definitely see how this could keep the league competitive.

I just worry and correct me if I’m wrong but it appears as if there’s more teams in regional ECNL play than in conference play. So what happens when you have multiple top teams coming out of regional play? Would you hold a tournament to fight for the spots? Maybe round robin or double elimination style?

If you like - details don't really matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol.

I got that there would obviously need to be promotion in addition to relegation. I just wonder how you would do it. Aren’t there many more teams at the regional levels vs the conference? How would they go about filtering the best regional teams to move to conference play?

If you finish top (or top two depending on size of the league in question), you are promoted. If you finish bottom (or bottom two), you are relegated. That's the usual method.

That was my thinking as well and I definitely see how this could keep the league competitive.

I just worry and correct me if I’m wrong but it appears as if there’s more teams in regional ECNL play than in conference play. So what happens when you have multiple top teams coming out of regional play? Would you hold a tournament to fight for the spots? Maybe round robin or double elimination style?

If you like - details don't really matter.

I hope it becomes a thing then. Would be a great idea.

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That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

And this is a HUGE hurdle. The only way relegation/promotion works is if clubs were never allowed to just establish without merit. But because there’s so much saturation at the grassroots level this will be difficult to accomplish.

Definitely a good idea in theory though. Just don’t see how it would come to fruition.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

And this is a HUGE hurdle. The only way relegation/promotion works is if clubs were never allowed to just establish without merit. But because there’s so much saturation at the grassroots level this will be difficult to accomplish.

Definitely a good idea in theory though. Just don’t see how it would come to fruition.

All of which explains how ludicrous the ecnl-r is, and how it serves the interests solely of the league and (country) clubs. What total garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

And this is a HUGE hurdle. The only way relegation/promotion works is if clubs were never allowed to just establish without merit. But because there’s so much saturation at the grassroots level this will be difficult to accomplish.

Definitely a good idea in theory though. Just don’t see how it would come to fruition.

All of which explains how ludicrous the ecnl-r is, and how it serves the interests solely of the league and (country) clubs. What total garbage.

My kid is on one of the clubs that is jumping from CCL to ECNL-R. I'm actually looking forward to it. Not because it has the ECNL name, but I think the competition will be better overall. The CCL just isn't as competitive from top to bottom as it was 4-5 years ago. There are some really bad teams in it and I don't think they will get any better due to the NOVA soccer landscape now. I would be perfectly happy staying in CCL if it wasn't for that.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

And this is a HUGE hurdle. The only way relegation/promotion works is if clubs were never allowed to just establish without merit. But because there’s so much saturation at the grassroots level this will be difficult to accomplish.

Definitely a good idea in theory though. Just don’t see how it would come to fruition.

All of which explains how ludicrous the ecnl-r is, and how it serves the interests solely of the league and (country) clubs. What total garbage.

My kid is on one of the clubs that is jumping from CCL to ECNL-R. I'm actually looking forward to it. Not because it has the ECNL name, but I think the competition will be better overall. The CCL just isn't as competitive from top to bottom as it was 4-5 years ago. There are some really bad teams in it and I don't think they will get any better due to the NOVA soccer landscape now. I would be perfectly happy staying in CCL if it wasn't for that.

That does not make much sense. Four of the new clubs are ccl clubs, which are the same as what you had before (and for Arlington and Loudoun, second teams). You will play first teams from Annandale, VYS, Great Falls Reston, Stafford and Tidewater. And you will play second teams from VSA, PWSI, Richmond Kickers and Richmond Strikers. You will no longer play SYC, Beach, or Alexandria, which are generally much better than the new ECNL-R team. Rush, Herndon, SYA and Frederick are generally comparable to or better than the non-CCL teams in ECNL-R.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

Some do, some don't. It depends on their wisdom and time-horizon. Closed leagues fail. Always. Because they become uncompetitive over time. So far-sighted clubs, and clubs who are confident that they are doing a good job, will prefer promo/relegation over a closed league.

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Anonymous wrote:That will not happen. If you are an ECNL club why would you allow any upstart ECNL-r club/s possibly take your ECNL status? It’s a closed system and they like it like that. You think McLean, BRYC, Loudoun, Arlington, etc want to give TSJ, Vienna, SYC, etc an opportunity?

ECNL is a huge money generator for the club and keeps a constant flow of kids/parents coming to your club. The second and third teams parents will continue to pay for the privilege of being close to ECNL and the dream of playing in college. If your kid is not a full time starter(top 1-6) on an ENCL, she is not playing in college.

And this is a HUGE hurdle. The only way relegation/promotion works is if clubs were never allowed to just establish without merit. But because there’s so much saturation at the grassroots level this will be difficult to accomplish.

Definitely a good idea in theory though. Just don’t see how it would come to fruition.

All of which explains how ludicrous the ecnl-r is, and how it serves the interests solely of the league and (country) clubs. What total garbage.

My kid is on one of the clubs that is jumping from CCL to ECNL-R. I'm actually looking forward to it. Not because it has the ECNL name, but I think the competition will be better overall. The CCL just isn't as competitive from top to bottom as it was 4-5 years ago. There are some really bad teams in it and I don't think they will get any better due to the NOVA soccer landscape now. I would be perfectly happy staying in CCL if it wasn't for that.

That does not make much sense. Four of the new clubs are ccl clubs, which are the same as what you had before (and for Arlington and Loudoun, second teams). You will play first teams from Annandale, VYS, Great Falls Reston, Stafford and Tidewater. And you will play second teams from VSA, PWSI, Richmond Kickers and Richmond Strikers. You will no longer play SYC, Beach, or Alexandria, which are generally much better than the new ECNL-R team. Rush, Herndon, SYA and Frederick are generally comparable to or better than the non-CCL teams in ECNL-R.

Beach moved to ECNL-R and Alexandria is leaving CCL. We couldn't play the first teams of those other clubs you mentioned anyways, because they are full ECNL. Who's left? Not much. Herndon and Rush probably the best clubs still there.