CCL extincting

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington leaving is the last nail in the coffin

Rest of the clubs will play the likes of Lmvsc

There are still a few solid clubs like Herndon, Alexandria, Richmond, and SYA. But it’s shrinking fast.

Alexandria jst had MLSnext expanded up to its older age groups.

source？

U16 practice last night from the coach's mouth.

can confirm

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington leaving is the last nail in the coffin

Rest of the clubs will play the likes of Lmvsc

There are still a few solid clubs like Herndon, Alexandria, Richmond, and SYA. But it’s shrinking fast.

Alexandria jst had MLSnext expanded up to its older age groups.

source？

U16 practice last night from the coach's mouth.

Do you know which age groups?

13-19

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Anonymous wrote:We are stuck in the of the CCL Clubs and everytime we bring up DA/ECNL/etc we get the BS line of CCL. Our TD needs to go, he isn’t creative and has no vision.

Your TD has little say in regards to being accepted into ECNL. Perhaps they have applied and been turned down, but considering the number of ECNL clubs in NOVA currently it is unlikely anymore local clubs will be added for quite some time.

I'd agree with this. The way ECNL-R moved into the Virginia market was pretty shrewd. Licensed a good, but smaller VPL league and then took their pick of the CCL teams they wanted to fill it out.

Which is really interesting if we are focused on league business strategy and completely irrelevant to whether parents and kids think it is an optical way to organize elite travel soccer at a lower cost with less time and total gas emitted by leagues chasing clubs and clubs chasing leagues. EDP has a great league for local top U12 teams before they go their separate ways into ecnl and mls next. It is a far better league structure than anything else I have seen. It’s too bad clubs just cannot refuse what a bunch of second-rate minds request from league quarters. A lot of the parents are to blame as well, especially the ones who know nothing about soccer and only look to patches for accomplishment.

There are only 5 teams south of Fredricksburg in ECNL-R. Not really that much travel for NOVA teams compared to the teams from further south.

Beach, Legacy, Tidewater, Strikers, Kickers, SOCA. So that's 6 teams plus Fredericksburg. Travel isn't ideal for those teams, but its better than it used to be.

If they go North/South it might be bad for one or two other clubs (PWSI?) if they get grouped with the South teams. It should be great for everyone else in NOVA though.

SOCA is full ECNL, not ECNL-R.

Skyline is full ECNL (boys) and GAL (girls). SOCA is definitely ECNL-RL:
https://www.facebook.com/SOCASpot/

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Anonymous wrote:We are stuck in the of the CCL Clubs and everytime we bring up DA/ECNL/etc we get the BS line of CCL. Our TD needs to go, he isn’t creative and has no vision.

Your TD has little say in regards to being accepted into ECNL. Perhaps they have applied and been turned down, but considering the number of ECNL clubs in NOVA currently it is unlikely anymore local clubs will be added for quite some time.

I'd agree with this. The way ECNL-R moved into the Virginia market was pretty shrewd. Licensed a good, but smaller VPL league and then took their pick of the CCL teams they wanted to fill it out.

Which is really interesting if we are focused on league business strategy and completely irrelevant to whether parents and kids think it is an optical way to organize elite travel soccer at a lower cost with less time and total gas emitted by leagues chasing clubs and clubs chasing leagues. EDP has a great league for local top U12 teams before they go their separate ways into ecnl and mls next. It is a far better league structure than anything else I have seen. It’s too bad clubs just cannot refuse what a bunch of second-rate minds request from league quarters. A lot of the parents are to blame as well, especially the ones who know nothing about soccer and only look to patches for accomplishment.

There are only 5 teams south of Fredricksburg in ECNL-R. Not really that much travel for NOVA teams compared to the teams from further south.

Beach, Legacy, Tidewater, Strikers, Kickers, SOCA. So that's 6 teams plus Fredericksburg. Travel isn't ideal for those teams, but its better than it used to be.

If they go North/South it might be bad for one or two other clubs (PWSI?) if they get grouped with the South teams. It should be great for everyone else in NOVA though.

SOCA is full ECNL, not ECNL-R.

Skyline is full ECNL (boys) and GAL (girls). SOCA is definitely ECNL-RL:
https://www.facebook.com/SOCASpot/

SOCA Announcement:
https://www.facebook.com/SOCASpot/photos/pcb.4246477098698610/4246476955365291/

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

What does finishing top 3 in CCL get you, a big nothing burger. Less than a nothing burger since they don't even post scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

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You do realize the more teams you add to ECNL without removing lesser clubs only waters down the talent. Also just because you play in the ECNL doesn't mean you belong there the proof is in the BRYC boys.

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Anonymous wrote:You do realize the more teams you add to ECNL without removing lesser clubs only waters down the talent. Also just because you play in the ECNL doesn't mean you belong there the proof is in the BRYC boys.

The same can be said of certain CCL clubs

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So did Alexandria actually leave or more fake news?

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

I hear you. I am no fan of the CCL either. Frauds like ecnl management can look competent until exposed. They will be exposed soon enough. I want people to press them for estimates of what percentage of ecnl-r players will likely play in college, and what portion of them are going to get partial or full scholarships. People need to understand how deceptive and fraudulent this kind of promotion is. Over time, people will realize there are no fundamental differences. But I think parents ought to press their clubs and leagues on these questions to hold them accountable. If you are not looking to play in college, what is the point of all the league switches among teams that will not produce college players? And no, I don’t think any league without true relegation or full season can really be compared to leagues which offer play year round.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

If ECNL moves to promotion/relegation between ECNL-R and ECNL leagues on a team by team basis - that would be a good thing and a significant improvement over CCL. If they were able to go further and unify more leagues into their structure preserving promotion/relegation that would be even better.

It turned out that it was impossible to get leagues to reach agreement on a single unified nationwide structure. If ECNL can Borg their way to the same goal then good for them!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shocked CCL hasn’t said anything.

They are reeling. In the last month, aside from losing their larger and most competitive clubs, their President (Beach), VP (Arlington) and Secretary (Legacy) have left. It appears their expansion surpassed the ability to keep important members involved and happy with the developments. Suffice to say, ECNL-R will be a pretty strong league.

It is hard to compete with what ECNL is doing with the regional league. They are promoting it as a pathway to full ECNL, Lavers talked about pro/rel in the town hall last month. They are going to have a national level tournament built into the competition for the top 3 teams in each age group. CCL is just games, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s all BS, total BS. It’s the same players who were in ccl. Apparently, when they played ccl, they were talentless and not close to college-soccer-material. But now, you sprinkle ECNL pixie dust on them and they are? Do you realize how dumb all of this sounds? Do you know how ridiculous it is that league employees come on to these sites and post fairy tales like this? Anybody who finds this interesting or worthy of serious discussion is employed only by leagues. Watch your wallets and your kids.

Have you been around since the beginning of CCL north? Are you aware that the CCL leadership at the time tried to sprinkle the same pixie dust to lure clubs away from NCSL, which was a very well-structured pro-rel league at the time? CCL has caused so much unnecessary disruption and talent dilution in our area for no reason other than profits and feeding the egos of its founders/offering unethical club leadership an opportunity to falsely claim they offer an elite opyion. I loathe the ECNL leadership and their profit-mongering, but at least they are competent. NCSL, plus an EDP type league, plus a top league like pre-MLS Next DA was all that was needed to get all kids to the right level efficiently without too much financial burden on players.

This person gets it. At least a quality and honest comment. Thank you!

If ECNL moves to promotion/relegation between ECNL-R and ECNL leagues on a team by team basis - that would be a good thing and a significant improvement over CCL. If they were able to go further and unify more leagues into their structure preserving promotion/relegation that would be even better.

It turned out that it was impossible to get leagues to reach agreement on a single unified nationwide structure. If ECNL can Borg their way to the same goal then good for them!

Say you have a club with their A-team in ECNL and their B-team in ECNL-R, then the A-team gets relegated. Do you now have two teams from the same club in ECNL-R? I don't think clubs would want that.