TJ is so done...

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Hate to tell you, but if your kid actually paid attention in class, he could have done fine on the qualification tests. Maybe if the admissions folks didn't ask such BS questions on the essay tests and not actually cared about robotics camp the value of traditional prep would go down. The use of geographic quotas is just another sign suggesting that FCPS views it's job as redistributing political favors rather than teaching kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

Agree but some posters would rather discuss imaginary conspiracies than try and look at this honestly

I love how we've somehow managed to reduce people like Vern Williams to crackpot conspiracy theorists.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

Yep!

+1000000 The post I agree with is so spot on! All those people that are not with the program are so not with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

Oh no, not again.... It's the "wrote" memorization poster again...

Didn't I teach you in multiple posts that it's spelled "rote" ? Perhaps prepping might do you a bit of good, since your natural abilities are clearly not enough to help you learn the difference.

I guess that’s why she hates rote memorization, because she can only wrote it.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

If there is a crappy middle school, it is a reflection on the school district, not the student. And it's incumbent on them to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to tell you, but if your kid actually paid attention in class, he could have done fine on the qualification tests. Maybe if the admissions folks didn't ask such BS questions on the essay tests and not actually cared about robotics camp the value of traditional prep would go down. The use of geographic quotas is just another sign suggesting that FCPS views it's job as redistributing political favors rather than teaching kids.

YES! It's just a random coincidence that 30% of those admitted spent a few hours a day at Curie for a year and the other 60% went to other prep centers to ensure they got in.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

If there is a crappy middle school, it is a reflection on the school district, not the student. And it's incumbent on them to fix it.

The schools are more or less the same. The difference is how much the parents in these areas invest in outside enrichemnt.

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

Well said!

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to tell you, but if your kid actually paid attention in class, he could have done fine on the qualification tests. Maybe if the admissions folks didn't ask such BS questions on the essay tests and not actually cared about robotics camp the value of traditional prep would go down. The use of geographic quotas is just another sign suggesting that FCPS views it's job as redistributing political favors rather than teaching kids.

YES! It's just a random coincidence that 30% of those admitted spent a few hours a day at Curie for a year and the other 60% went to other prep centers to ensure they got in.

Sorry logic isn't your forte. Did the Curie experience improve the test scores (which doesn't indicate the material wasn't taught in MS) or teach them to BS the essay to say robotics camp demonstrates my lifelong commitment to STEM?
Also, both of my TJ kids did not prep so perhaps your 60% figure is simply pulled from your ass.

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The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

Worthless to whom? What will change? The teachers? The labs? Motivated kids who love science and learning? What these kids achieve once they get there matters, not if one more or less kid who competed in a STEM science competition in 7th grade gets in. Your disdain for kids who are applying to work hard in high school is disturbing. There is a lot of pride in working hard to achieve a goal and more kids deserve that opportunity. Lots of kids who didn't get in your childs year could have thrived too....don't kid yourself, your child isn't the most special 450 in Fairfax County, they just got in under the old system. All you parents calling the class of 2025 weak are just reflecting your own issues.

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The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

did they peak in high school? It's a high school diploma. It should mean less than a BA/BS which should mean less than any subsequent degree which should all mean less than the life they live after graduation

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Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

There's no way around it. The people who want to cling to the old system mostly just want to be able to guarantee their kids will get in if they take a couple prep classes. These changes make it a lot harder and give bright kids in less affluent a fair chance.

The "prep" lady is lying again. The old system is race neutral. The new one is racist. Everyone can "prep", aka studying. Studying is the least expensive thing to do. If it were so easy to ace SAT by just taking a couple prep classes, white parents wouldn't have paid tens of thousands to have someone else take SAT for their kids.

Make your kids study all you want. It just cannot be a requisite for the county stem high school. When the county makes this process fair and truly race neutral the admissions exam will test content taught through algebra I. More kids will qualify, and they’ll use a lottery to select kids equally across the county. Like another poster said, the earth will not stop spinning. TJ will still be a STEM magnet high school.

It really should be. Because guess what they are going to be doing until 1 am every morning once they get there? Think hard. It will come to you.

So be it. Presumably the kid is up for a challenge.

I get that it was easier to get your kids into TJ in years past. Now there is even more competition for seats.

No. Now there is no competition in the real sense of the word for seats, because all you need to do is fill out an application and have a pulse and a sob story. I’m sorry “experience factors”. There may be a smaller likelihood of getting a seat. But since admission is not longer merit based, it just another HS with a long commute and getting a seat means nothing.

I’m glad my last kid graduates from FCPS this year. There’s a lot of pride that comes with working hard and struggling some to achieve a goal. My TJ grads diploma means something to him. Being handed something because your MS is crappy? It makes the TJ diploma from 2025 forward worthless.

If there is a crappy middle school, it is a reflection on the school district, not the student. And it's incumbent on them to fix it.

The schools are more or less the same. The difference is how much the parents in these areas invest in outside enrichemnt.

there is a large gap between Whitman and Cooper