TJ is so done...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

The biggest racist dog whistle on these threads is when some kids get called "robots." We know who you're referring to and it is not cool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

My DH studied very hard and is an Ivy League educated doctor. I’m not sure if he was flagged gifted but he was in all honors/AP classes by the time he was in high school. He was a free lunch ESL kid. DH is good at everything. I’m not sure if he a natural at anything but works harder than anyone I know. He is an excellent problem solver and critical thinker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

Oh no, not again.... It's the "wrote" memorization poster again...

Didn't I teach you in multiple posts that it's spelled "rote" ? Perhaps prepping might do you a bit of good, since your natural abilities are clearly not enough to help you learn the difference.

[Anonymous]

It's crazy how they already spend so much extra money on the high FARMS schools and there are big AAP centers at schools like Glasgow and Sandburg, but they still only get a handful or less of kids into TJ.

If the system hasn't been able to showcase the talents of kids at those schools by the time they are in 8th grade, it's hard to see how dumping more into TJ under a new "hybrid lottery" system will set them up for success. Perhaps "New TJ" will be a solid school with better sports teams, but it probably won't be as strong as some of the existing schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Let me clue you in, nobody is "cheating", at least by your definition of prepping. I'll give you an anecdotal example: According to your theory, my kid was cheating because I gave them a sample Cogat workbook last year in 2nd grade. Guess what, he got into AAP and now finds it hilariously easy still, i.e not much different than 2nd grade regular classes. And before you counter with something stupid like: well he's "naturally gifted", I can assure you that he's not. Would he have had high enough scores if I had not even given him a sample test to practice? I don't know. But frankly I wouldn't take the risk of not "prepping" at all for something important, when there is no downside (he was perfectly fine with spending 2 hrs on it), and all pure upside.

The word "gifted" is stupid and many people like you are relying on it to effectively turn off kids natural, sponge-like ability to learn. Keep doing that and you're handicapping yourself by allowing yourself to believe that natural ability trumps effort. Pretty soon you'll say that you've "plateaued" without bothering to even try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

How many engineers, doctors, attorneys, take their professional exams cold?

Its silly to say that it "is not life like or realistic" for professionals - particularly in STEM- do not study for years in their field to become certified experts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

The biggest racist dog whistle on these threads is when some kids get called "robots." We know who you're referring to and it is not cool.

+ 1. The PP you are responding to literally owns the dog whistle store! His assumption is every Asian at TJ is a prepped Robot and some sort of "cleansing" is needed to attract the "real" people. Sounds like he wears a brown MAGA hat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how they already spend so much extra money on the high FARMS schools and there are big AAP centers at schools like Glasgow and Sandburg, but they still only get a handful or less of kids into TJ.

If the system hasn't been able to showcase the talents of kids at those schools by the time they are in 8th grade, it's hard to see how dumping more into TJ under a new "hybrid lottery" system will set them up for success. Perhaps "New TJ" will be a solid school with better sports teams, but it probably won't be as strong as some of the existing schools.

How else will you get the "woke badge of honor"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

How many engineers, doctors, attorneys, take their professional exams cold?

Its silly to say that it "is not life like or realistic" for professionals - particularly in STEM- do not study for years in their field to become certified experts.

This is where their argument falls apart. Everything takes practice. Yes, some skill is required, but the idea that some child gifted innately is going to cut it at TJ if they were in remedial classes and failed all their tests and didn't do classwork or homework their whole life is highly unlikely. You don't get to TJ from innate skills alone.

[Anonymous]

"wrote" memorization - lol

Maybe that poster should apply some "wrote' memorization herself. Lol

Don't feed the miserable trolls, let the find some other thread to feed their dark morass.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/racism-isnt-everyones-priority/617108/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

It should look like NVa! TJ is not just FCPS, it includes the entire NVa region.

Time to lower the standards; have 18 year old freshmen, surging numbers of FARMs and ESL students, teach to the SOL, eliminate attendance standards and use a rolling gradebook.

While we’re at it, FCPS should also eliminate AAP in ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

It should look like NVa! TJ is not just FCPS, it includes the entire NVa region.

Time to lower the standards; have 18 year old freshmen, surging numbers of FARMs and ESL students, teach to the SOL, eliminate attendance standards and use a rolling gradebook.

While we’re at it, FCPS should also eliminate AAP in ES.

They've already eliminated AAP content, it exists in name only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

It should look like NVa! TJ is not just FCPS, it includes the entire NVa region.

Time to lower the standards; have 18 year old freshmen, surging numbers of FARMs and ESL students, teach to the SOL, eliminate attendance standards and use a rolling gradebook.

While we’re at it, FCPS should also eliminate AAP in ES.

We already have all of the above except the elimination of attendance standards and AAP. Our middle school gave cookies to those who had good attendance. The heck with rewarding honor roll recipients. AAP is next. Just give them a little time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

I thought this was about who is best qualified for a STEM-focused curriculum at TJ, not who is best at performative displays in some humanities class at Sarah Lawrence or Bard. Go away.