TJ is so done...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

watch your racist dog whistle

+1

WOW. Just wow. And you wonder why TJ changed their format? For real? Look at your "soul" - if you had one.

DP here:

Some demographics have different priorities than others. Its racist to notice.

https://nypost.com/2014/07/19/why-nycs-push-to-change-school-admissions-will-punish-poor-asians/

"Asians in New York are overwhelmingly first- and second-generation; some three-quarters of the students at Stuyvesant are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

They’re hardly affluent, notwithstanding de Blasio’s implication that families who get their kids into the specialized schools are “rich.”"

"But Asians also have the highest poverty rate of any racial group in New York, with 29 percent living below the poverty level, compared with 26 percent of Hispanics, 23 percent of blacks and 14 percent of whites. Poor Asians lag far behind whites and are barely ahead of blacks and Latinos. Thus, the income spectrum among Asians in New York ranges from a surprisingly large number in poverty, through a hardworking lower middle class, and on to a more affluent upper middle class."

"Half the students at the specialized high schools qualify for free or subsidized school lunches, including 47 percent at Stuyvesant and 48 percent at Bronx Science — figures that have increased correspondingly with Asians’ rising numbers at these schools. Based upon these figures, Stuyvesant and Bronx Science (as well as four of the other six specialized schools) are eligible for federal Title I funding, given to schools with large numbers of low-income students.

Think about that: Two public high schools that, along with half their students, are officially classified as poor by the federal government rival the most exclusive prep schools in the world."

[Anonymous]

There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

that has to include public colleges too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

Intense prepping is not required at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

Nice to know that teachers/professors leading our youth are racists.

Anyway, I don't want my doctor or engineer to be able to write flowery words. I want him/her to know mathematical and scientific concepts backwards and forwards. I give zero craps about humanities in that context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

NP
I don't really care about TJ one way or other but just curious about this part- I know there are exceptions and extremes on both ends but on average, aren't private/boarding schools a more monotonous environment than some random local pubic school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

that has to include public colleges too.

And performing arts governor's schools, too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

that has to include public colleges too.

And performing arts governor's schools, too!

Yes, you don't want to practice the violin but want to be in the orchestra because you are talented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn’t be any public schools where admission requires intense prepping. And if you need to be prepped for admission, you’re not talented.

that has to include public colleges too.

And performing arts governor's schools, too!

Yes, you don't want to practice the violin but want to be in the orchestra because you are talented.

Exactly. It's required practice. I get that IQ is a thing, but any study will tell you it's not everything and the majority of increase in intelligence comes from work. You shouldn't have to prep for a test, but you should be expected to have an interest and strong ability in STEM just like any travel sport or dance team or orchestra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

watch your racist dog whistle

+1

WOW. Just wow. And you wonder why TJ changed their format? For real? Look at your "soul" - if you had one.

DP here:

Some demographics have different priorities than others. Its racist to notice.

https://nypost.com/2014/07/19/why-nycs-push-to-change-school-admissions-will-punish-poor-asians/

"Asians in New York are overwhelmingly first- and second-generation; some three-quarters of the students at Stuyvesant are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

They’re hardly affluent, notwithstanding de Blasio’s implication that families who get their kids into the specialized schools are “rich.”"

"But Asians also have the highest poverty rate of any racial group in New York, with 29 percent living below the poverty level, compared with 26 percent of Hispanics, 23 percent of blacks and 14 percent of whites. Poor Asians lag far behind whites and are barely ahead of blacks and Latinos. Thus, the income spectrum among Asians in New York ranges from a surprisingly large number in poverty, through a hardworking lower middle class, and on to a more affluent upper middle class."

"Half the students at the specialized high schools qualify for free or subsidized school lunches, including 47 percent at Stuyvesant and 48 percent at Bronx Science — figures that have increased correspondingly with Asians’ rising numbers at these schools. Based upon these figures, Stuyvesant and Bronx Science (as well as four of the other six specialized schools) are eligible for federal Title I funding, given to schools with large numbers of low-income students.

Think about that: Two public high schools that, along with half their students, are officially classified as poor by the federal government rival the most exclusive prep schools in the world."

This needs to be made more well known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

I thought this was about who is best qualified for a STEM-focused curriculum at TJ, not who is best at performative displays in some humanities class at Sarah Lawrence or Bard. Go away.

Actually, she has taught philosophy at both MIT and Yale ( in fact, many of the greatest philosophers - and artists, were also mathematicians ). Not sure where you got "performative displays" from. Troglodyte.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

NP
I don't really care about TJ one way or other but just curious about this part- I know there are exceptions and extremes on both ends but on average, aren't private/boarding schools a more monotonous environment than some random local pubic school?

Not academically. Especially, the students who come from European boarding schools. They are always academically ahead of thier class ( in the sciences, as well).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

I thought this was about who is best qualified for a STEM-focused curriculum at TJ, not who is best at performative displays in some humanities class at Sarah Lawrence or Bard. Go away.

Actually, she has taught philosophy at both MIT and Yale ( in fact, many of the greatest philosophers - and artists, were also mathematicians ). Not sure where you got "performative displays" from. Troglodyte.

You really are a complete idiot if you don't realize there's no place on the planet where performative displays find a better audience than Yale. But somehow you think it bolsters your case to refer to MIT and Yale, while denigrating those who aspire to attend the nation's top high school (as opposed to, say, teach at the 4th ranked university).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

I thought this was about who is best qualified for a STEM-focused curriculum at TJ, not who is best at performative displays in some humanities class at Sarah Lawrence or Bard. Go away.

Actually, she has taught philosophy at both MIT and Yale ( in fact, many of the greatest philosophers - and artists, were also mathematicians ). Not sure where you got "performative displays" from. Troglodyte.

You really are a complete idiot if you don't realize there's no place on the planet where performative displays find a better audience than Yale. But somehow you think it bolsters your case to refer to MIT and Yale, while denigrating those who aspire to attend the nation's top high school (as opposed to, say, teach at the 4th ranked university).

you are truly special

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ as it known now is for sure done, and good riddance! Next up: AAP admissions reform.

I don’t know why families thought they could cheat their way through a system meant for *actually* gifted students by starting test prep in elementary school (or earlier). News flash: if your child preps for a 2nd grade cognitive assessment, the score is invalid, and your child is not “exceptionally gifted”.

Right. Giftedness can only be found on street corners and in homes where parents take little interest in their children's education (but make sure they have nice shoes and a Play Station). I'm so glad FCPS will have a new Chief Equity Officer who can spot these natural wonders.

No, PP has a point. If you have to prep all/most your life for something cerebral (not physical, different muscles = different use - though how one camp loves to rail on athletes = discriminatory, but I digress). After a certain point, you are using wrote memorization and that isn't "studying", that is "teaching to the test", which is not life like or realistic. Colleges don't want robots whose parents "program" them for Tj since grade school - that is INSANE. I wouldn't want to deal with those parents, either.

This. Cannot tell you how many times friends who work within academia complain about the discourse in thier humanities classes for the last 6 years - she says it amounts to having a conversation with automatons. Those were often the students who received the lowest marks due to the fact that the regurgitation of researched information alone wasn't enough. Independent, original, and creative thinking are a necessity and often the automaton kids were at a disadvantage compared to private/boarding kids ( culturally exposed to a lot) or pooer-URM and white ( whose background and experiences may be different than "mainstream").

NP
I don't really care about TJ one way or other but just curious about this part- I know there are exceptions and extremes on both ends but on average, aren't private/boarding schools a more monotonous environment than some random local pubic school?

Not academically. Especially, the students who come from European boarding schools. They are always academically ahead of thier class ( in the sciences, as well).

I wasn't referring to academics, just the bolded part that private/boarding school students are "culturally exposed to a lot" more than their public school counterparts.