Why is DJT so obsessed with pushing hydroxychloroquine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Trump’s trusts have invested in it and he stands to profit.

But someone has told him to stop talking about it.

Are they still using this drug on COVId patients?

Is the drug company helping to push this drug for unproven purposes?

Yes now he says “therapeutics” referring to a few different possible drugs

If you watched the pressers, you would know that he has talked about hope for these from the beginning. He pushed the malaria drug because, at first, it was the only one that had shown promise. And, while the study from the VA is troubling, it was only used with the very, very ill. We know little about the details--were there differences among the hospitals, etc? The French study indicated it was best used early.
Time will tell. Now, there are other options coming forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Trump’s trusts have invested in it and he stands to profit.

But someone has told him to stop talking about it.

Are they still using this drug on COVId patients?

Is the drug company helping to push this drug for unproven purposes?

Yes now he says “therapeutics” referring to a few different possible drugs

If you watched the pressers, you would know that he has talked about hope for these from the beginning. He pushed the malaria drug because, at first, it was the only one that had shown promise. And, while the study from the VA is troubling, it was only used with the very, very ill. We know little about the details--were there differences among the hospitals, etc? The French study indicated it was best used early.
Time will tell. Now, there are other options coming forward.

Oh, go away. As you very well know, the story when Trump and Fox were touting hydroxychloroquine, there was no "time will tell" and "we know little about the details." It was "this is all a liberal conspiracy to make people die and infringe on our freedoms because you hate Trump! You hate Trump so much you're denying people life-saving medications!"

So do not come at me now with your "Time will tell" and "we don't have the results of the clinical trials yet" bullshit. Do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

Wow, you're smarter than a panel of NIH convened experts? Amazing! We are blessed to have you here on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

"do no harm"

Well, we have known for decades the GOP doesn't care about our veterans or really the troops in general, just pawns on a chessboard, but this is an abomination.

How can military families support this party?

Results were not peer reviewed, no data on how two groups were matched for age, severity or underlying conditions, 368 people in trial. No p values, statistical analysis. Not enough data. there should be several other starting points and endpoints discussed, such as avoiding intubation, time between symptoms and initiating drug, time when symptoms resolved, severity of illness when therapy was initiated, viral load, as well as mortality. This data is just as bad the initial trials supporting use. AND You’re the same as trump for spreading this kind of study garbage. There should be many, robust data trials coming out soon, where n is > 10,000.

Hopefully you were just as adamant when "the French studies" were being touted everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Trump’s trusts have invested in it and he stands to profit.

But someone has told him to stop talking about it.

Are they still using this drug on COVId patients?

Is the drug company helping to push this drug for unproven purposes?

Yes now he says “therapeutics” referring to a few different possible drugs

If you watched the pressers, you would know that he has talked about hope for these from the beginning. He pushed the malaria drug because, at first, it was the only one that had shown promise. And, while the study from the VA is troubling, it was only used with the very, very ill. We know little about the details--were there differences among the hospitals, etc? The French study indicated it was best used early.
Time will tell. Now, there are other options coming forward.

Oh, go away. As you very well know, the story when Trump and Fox were touting hydroxychloroquine, there was no "time will tell" and "we know little about the details." It was "this is all a liberal conspiracy to make people die and infringe on our freedoms because you hate Trump! You hate Trump so much you're denying people life-saving medications!"

So do not come at me now with your "Time will tell" and "we don't have the results of the clinical trials yet" bullshit. Do not.

x 1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

Wow, you're smarter than a panel of NIH convened experts? Amazing! We are blessed to have you here on DCUM.

This issue should be looked at critically from both sides rather than politicized in either direction. These drugs are not new, neither is the warning of the QTc interaction.

Is that all you’ve got?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

"do no harm"

Well, we have known for decades the GOP doesn't care about our veterans or really the troops in general, just pawns on a chessboard, but this is an abomination.

How can military families support this party?

Results were not peer reviewed, no data on how two groups were matched for age, severity or underlying conditions, 368 people in trial. No p values, statistical analysis. Not enough data. there should be several other starting points and endpoints discussed, such as avoiding intubation, time between symptoms and initiating drug, time when symptoms resolved, severity of illness when therapy was initiated, viral load, as well as mortality. This data is just as bad the initial trials supporting use. AND You’re the same as trump for spreading this kind of study garbage. There should be many, robust data trials coming out soon, where n is > 10,000.

Hopefully you were just as adamant when "the French studies" were being touted everywhere.

Medicine generally operates on evidence based criteria. We are not neophytes in this game. We were looking at the French data very critically. However, as research began to appear to suggest that one of the causes of severe illness could be a viral attack on heme porphyrins, destroying the ability of hemoglobins to carry oxygen, while at the same time causing a cytokine storm inflaming the lungs, both the anti-inflammatory and heme protective properties of hydroxychloroquine did not make it an unreasonable candidate. Many other drug candidates were being considered also in addition to novel antivirals, such Actemra and even colchicine. Well executed double blind controlled studies are not available, so data out of this pandemic will be difficult to interpret. However, I believe risk to benefit justified studying hydroxychloroquine, which is different than endorsing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

"do no harm"

Well, we have known for decades the GOP doesn't care about our veterans or really the troops in general, just pawns on a chessboard, but this is an abomination.

How can military families support this party?

Results were not peer reviewed, no data on how two groups were matched for age, severity or underlying conditions, 368 people in trial. No p values, statistical analysis. Not enough data. there should be several other starting points and endpoints discussed, such as avoiding intubation, time between symptoms and initiating drug, time when symptoms resolved, severity of illness when therapy was initiated, viral load, as well as mortality. This data is just as bad the initial trials supporting use. AND You’re the same as trump for spreading this kind of study garbage. There should be many, robust data trials coming out soon, where n is > 10,000.

Hopefully you were just as adamant when "the French studies" were being touted everywhere.

Medicine generally operates on evidence based criteria. We are not neophytes in this game. We were looking at the French data very critically. However, as research began to appear to suggest that one of the causes of severe illness could be a viral attack on heme porphyrins, destroying the ability of hemoglobins to carry oxygen, while at the same time causing a cytokine storm inflaming the lungs, both the anti-inflammatory and heme protective properties of hydroxychloroquine did not make it an unreasonable candidate. Many other drug candidates were being considered also in addition to novel antivirals, such Actemra and even colchicine. Well executed double blind controlled studies are not available, so data out of this pandemic will be difficult to interpret. However, I believe risk to benefit justified studying hydroxychloroquine, which is different than endorsing it.

did anyone say it wasn’t warranted to study hydroxychloroquine? No, they did not. Try again.

[Anonymous]

The BS has consequences

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coronavirus-live-coverage.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The BS has consequences

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coronavirus-live-coverage.html

Fauci was straight during the Trump conference; that hydroxychloroquine required more scrutiny, and he said it on national television. He has maintained his position throughout this crisis. He is an academic, and I thought he gave measured balance to the medical community perspective. Trump can’t write a single prescription. Doctors are not fools.

[Anonymous]

Laughing at you Democrat’s who think physicians are rubes who will change their method of evaluating evidence, science, risk/benefit, and prescribing because Trump says so. LOL.

Why do you even go to the doctor if you think so little of their ability? You Democrat’s best stick with reiki energy healing, the anti-vax movement, naturopaths, and homeopathic remedies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

Wow, you're smarter than a panel of NIH convened experts? Amazing! We are blessed to have you here on DCUM.

This issue should be looked at critically from both sides rather than politicized in either direction. These drugs are not new, neither is the warning of the QTc interaction.

Is that all you’ve got?

Yes, Trump, a politician not a doctor, should have never uttered the word hydroxychloroquine out of his puckered up little face sphincter.

He is incompetent and should be removed before more people DIE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Laughing at you Democrat’s who think physicians are rubes who will change their method of evaluating evidence, science, risk/benefit, and prescribing because Trump says so. LOL.

Why do you even go to the doctor if you think so little of their ability? You Democrat’s best stick with reiki energy healing, the anti-vax movement, naturopaths, and homeopathic remedies.

Lol. Laughing at this poster that thinks their physician is Dr. House, doing a careful evaluation of the patient's symptoms along with a risk/reward analysis while reading up on current research in the 200 seconds that he/she spends with each patient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.

The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

The data for QTc prolongation is originally based on data from Clarithromycin, a drug in the same class. Azithromycin has not demonstrated the same properties, the case reports in the literature are under a handful. Caution is recommended in certain classes of patients, patients with electrolyte disturbances, underlying cardiac disease, existing QT prolongation disorders, patients taking multiple drugs which prolong QT interval, and frail elderly. Z-packs are given out by the millions to patients every day, as outpatients. Many of those same patients are already on Hydroxychloroquine for RA and lupus. Current guidelines recommend screening and monitoring to manage possible side effects and evaluate risk/benefit. Trump is not your doctor, and your doctor is very capable of making these assessments.

Wow, you're smarter than a panel of NIH convened experts? Amazing! We are blessed to have you here on DCUM.

This issue should be looked at critically from both sides rather than politicized in either direction. These drugs are not new, neither is the warning of the QTc interaction.

Is that all you’ve got?

Yes, Trump, a politician not a doctor, should have never uttered the word hydroxychloroquine out of his puckered up little face sphincter.

He is incompetent and should be removed before more people DIE.

Trump cannot write a single prescription. For anything. Do you really think the medical establishment is that stupid?

There are protocols and policies for everything which happens in a hospital, checks and double checks. Trump’s magic wand doesn’t make a sh*tload of difference of what is actually taking place in the hospitals and how it is being planned. Not only were physicians seeing hemoglobin attacked, severe inflammatory reactions, they were all so seeing clotting disorders similar to patients with lupus. Hydroxychloroquine, which is used for autoimmune response in lupus, was reasonable to investigate. Remdesivir and Actemra, are among other drugs being studied and used under compassionate use agreements,however, Trump didn’t “say so.” In your view, how can other drugs be used if Trump didn't tell our doctors what to do? You are a moron.