Where do you consider MCPS high schools on a scale of good-bad

[Anonymous]

That's why I said.. "for the most part". There are outliers, but the trend is that low income kids seem to do better (per SAT scores) when the FARMs rate is around the 25% mark. I'm not sure what other measure you could use. If low income kids are taking SATs, then that's a sign that they want to go to college, which is great.

I did notice Poolesville. Wow, there are some super smart kids there

Argh, the document doesn't show any pattern or trend that low income kids do better per SAT at schools with low FARMS. I only pulled 10 schools -which even if these were the only examples are far more than a fluke outlier. The FARMS kids scores are all over the map but the trend appears to show that they do better in schools with higher FARMS not lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does Woodside need more low income housing?

Looking at the stats above for Sligo and Einstein there are a lot of kids who receive FARMS. Especially when you look at the ever-FARMS rates. Both are over half the students.

What do you mean when you say "low income housing"? Serious question. What kind(s) of housing are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

I don't mean anything by it. I am using language from above where someone suggested that Woodside needs low income housing. I don't understand why this particular area is more important to add affordable housing to instead of some other parts of the county if the goal is to create more economically diverse schools. These schools are already economically more diverse than some other parts of the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't mean anything by it. I am using language from above where someone suggested that Woodside needs low income housing. I don't understand why this particular area is more important to add affordable housing to instead of some other parts of the county if the goal is to create more economically diverse schools. These schools are already economically more diverse than some other parts of the county.

There is already plenty of economic diversity in the SS area whereas other parts of the county seem segregated by comparison.

[Anonymous]

It's amazing how dense some of the parents in the wealthier areas are.

[Anonymous]

It’s amazing that you think there are any west MoCo families in dCUm at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing that you think there are any west MoCo families in dCUm at all.

? of course there are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't mean anything by it. I am using language from above where someone suggested that Woodside needs low income housing. I don't understand why this particular area is more important to add affordable housing to instead of some other parts of the county if the goal is to create more economically diverse schools. These schools are already economically more diverse than some other parts of the county.

There is already plenty of economic diversity in the SS area whereas other parts of the county seem segregated by comparison.

So neighborhoods are off-limits but should only look at the larger area? What constitutes a "other parts"? So neighborhood redlining should factor into policy as long as it is close enough to be zoned to a school that draws from a high poverty neighborhood?

Is this about equality or just balancing out school attendance so school quality doesn't disproportionately depress eastern county home prices? DCC people do nothing but say how lovely their schools are and how much they love the area but then out of the other side of their mouth they complain how unfair it is. What is unfair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That's why I said.. "for the most part". There are outliers, but the trend is that low income kids seem to do better (per SAT scores) when the FARMs rate is around the 25% mark. I'm not sure what other measure you could use. If low income kids are taking SATs, then that's a sign that they want to go to college, which is great.

I did notice Poolesville. Wow, there are some super smart kids there

Argh, the document doesn't show any pattern or trend that low income kids do better per SAT at schools with low FARMS. I only pulled 10 schools -which even if these were the only examples are far more than a fluke outlier. The FARMS kids scores are all over the map but the trend appears to show that they do better in schools with higher FARMS not lower.

Top 10 schools where FARMs had the highest scores:
Whitman 1715
Wootton 1659
Poolesville 1641
Damascus 1612
Watkins Mill 1534
QO 1512
Churchill 1518
WJ 1493
Clarksburg 1460
RM 1447

Of the top 10, only Watkins Mill has a FARMs rate about 50%, Clarksburg is at about 26.8%. The rest is below about 25%.

Here's what I stated... " the trend is that low income kids seem to do better (per SAT scores) when the FARMs rate is around the 25% mark. "... or lower I should add.

Here's what you stated... "the trend appears to show that they do better in schools with higher FARMS not lower". The data doesn't support your assertion at all.

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https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't mean anything by it. I am using language from above where someone suggested that Woodside needs low income housing. I don't understand why this particular area is more important to add affordable housing to instead of some other parts of the county if the goal is to create more economically diverse schools. These schools are already economically more diverse than some other parts of the county.

There is already plenty of economic diversity in the SS area whereas other parts of the county seem segregated by comparison.

So neighborhoods are off-limits but should only look at the larger area? What constitutes a "other parts"? So neighborhood redlining should factor into policy as long as it is close enough to be zoned to a school that draws from a high poverty neighborhood?

Is this about equality or just balancing out school attendance so school quality doesn't disproportionately depress eastern county home prices? DCC people do nothing but say how lovely their schools are and how much they love the area but then out of the other side of their mouth they complain how unfair it is. What is unfair?

DP, but what on earth are you talking about? Those of us in the DCC are typically responding to criticism from people with little to no direct experience with our schools by saying we like them and are happy here. And that makes us hypocrites somehow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing that you think there are any west MoCo families in dCUm at all.

? of course there are.

For example, complaining that the middle-school magnet programs are too far plus their kids didn't get in, so unfair.

[Anonymous]

DP, but what on earth are you talking about? Those of us in the DCC are typically responding to criticism from people with little to no direct experience with our schools by saying we like them and are happy here. And that makes us hypocrites somehow?

nailed it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing that you think there are any west MoCo families in dCUm at all.

? of course there are.

For example, complaining that the middle-school magnet programs are too far plus their kids didn't get in, so unfair.

MS and HS magnets are so far from west Bethesda during rush hour I honestly don’t see why or how they’d be seriously considered by those families. I think they just get actively involved with their home schools and extra curricular/sports.
But whatever PP is right, we don’t live west if 270 nor inside the beltway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing that you think there are any west MoCo families in dCUm at all.

? of course there are.

For example, complaining that the middle-school magnet programs are too far plus their kids didn't get in, so unfair.

MS and HS magnets are so far from west Bethesda during rush hour I honestly don’t see why or how they’d be seriously considered by those families. I think they just get actively involved with their home schools and extra curricular/sports.
But whatever PP is right, we don’t live west if 270 nor inside the beltway.

I guess you didn't read the gazillions of threads on downcounty middle-school magnet admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't mean anything by it. I am using language from above where someone suggested that Woodside needs low income housing. I don't understand why this particular area is more important to add affordable housing to instead of some other parts of the county if the goal is to create more economically diverse schools. These schools are already economically more diverse than some other parts of the county.

There is already plenty of economic diversity in the SS area whereas other parts of the county seem segregated by comparison.

So neighborhoods are off-limits but should only look at the larger area? What constitutes a "other parts"? So neighborhood redlining should factor into policy as long as it is close enough to be zoned to a school that draws from a high poverty neighborhood?

Is this about equality or just balancing out school attendance so school quality doesn't disproportionately depress eastern county home prices? DCC people do nothing but say how lovely their schools are and how much they love the area but then out of the other side of their mouth they complain how unfair it is. What is unfair?

DP, but what on earth are you talking about? Those of us in the DCC are typically responding to criticism from people with little to no direct experience with our schools by saying we like them and are happy here. And that makes us hypocrites somehow?

Why break up your school and bus so many of your kids classmates away? Is it to help them or you? That is what makes you hypocritical