Where do you consider MCPS high schools on a scale of good-bad

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As close in neighborhoods have become more desirable more urban poverty is showing up in the outer burbs like Gaithersburg and Briggs Chaney. I think there was an article on GGW about this a while ago.

https://ggwash.org/view/31707/watch-poverty-suburbanize-in-montgomery-county

Suburban poverty, not urban poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:We should build low income/high density homes in all nice neighborhoods starting with historic TP and woodside. When those residents welcome them in with open arms then we can talk about moving west.

This makes no sense. There already are low income/high density housing in those areas.

not as much as the surrounding areas. The segregation past that built those areas and their UMC SFHs needs to be stripped down until they reach a level similar to their neighbors. Woodside was built as a white enclave just as Bethesda was.

Woodlin ES is relatively low poverty (21% FARMs, compared to 39% for elementary schools countywide) and low ESOL (14%, compared to 25% for elementary schools countywide), but it's not a white-enclave school: 39% white, 25% black, 21% Hispanic, 7% Asian-American, compared to 27%, 21%, 33%, 14% for elementary schools county-wide.

After Woodlin, kids go to Sligo and then Einstein. What are the stats?

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Anonymous wrote:We should build low income/high density homes in all nice neighborhoods starting with historic TP and woodside. When those residents welcome them in with open arms then we can talk about moving west.

This makes no sense. There already are low income/high density housing in those areas.

not as much as the surrounding areas. The segregation past that built those areas and their UMC SFHs needs to be stripped down until they reach a level similar to their neighbors. Woodside was built as a white enclave just as Bethesda was.

Woodlin ES is relatively low poverty (21% FARMs, compared to 39% for elementary schools countywide) and low ESOL (14%, compared to 25% for elementary schools countywide), but it's not a white-enclave school: 39% white, 25% black, 21% Hispanic, 7% Asian-American, compared to 27%, 21%, 33%, 14% for elementary schools county-wide.

After Woodlin, kids go to Sligo and then Einstein. What are the stats?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/03778.pdf
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf

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Why does Woodside need more low income housing?

Looking at the stats above for Sligo and Einstein there are a lot of kids who receive FARMS. Especially when you look at the ever-FARMS rates. Both are over half the students.

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Anonymous wrote:We should build low income/high density homes in all nice neighborhoods starting with historic TP and woodside. When those residents welcome them in with open arms then we can talk about moving west.

This makes no sense. There already are low income/high density housing in those areas.

not as much as the surrounding areas. The segregation past that built those areas and their UMC SFHs needs to be stripped down until they reach a level similar to their neighbors. Woodside was built as a white enclave just as Bethesda was.

Are you just looking at elementary schools?

Woodside feeds to Einstein which already has a high percentage of FARMS. And Takoma Park goes to Blair.

These kids are not zoned for Whitman.

Not really. Higher than for the overall county (40% vs. 27%), but many MCPS high schools have a higher percentage than Einstein.

There are 6 high schools with a higher FARMS than Einstein: Gaitherburg (close at 40.1), Kennedy, Wheaton, Watkins Mill, Springbrook and Northwood.

But yet there aren’t 6 schools with a lower graduation rate. Just shows that Einstein is pretty mediocre and they can’t blame it on the poor Hispanics

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What low income neighborhoods are zoned for Whitman?

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Anonymous wrote:What low income neighborhoods are zoned for Whitman?

Even an as-is house right on Bradley Blvd. is $600K. https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/6208-Bradley-Blvd-20817/home/10637723

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There are 6 high schools with a higher FARMS than Einstein: Gaitherburg (close at 40.1), Kennedy, Wheaton, Watkins Mill, Springbrook and Northwood.

But yet there aren’t 6 schools with a lower graduation rate. Just shows that Einstein is pretty mediocre and they can’t blame it on the poor Hispanics

I thought that Wheaton had the worst graduation rate and Einstein was just second or third worst.

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Guys come on. The mcps annual reports with some slicing and dicing are posted online in agh and by school. Not testing info but map and parcc proficiency

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/

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Anonymous wrote:Guys come on. The mcps annual reports with some slicing and dicing are posted online in agh and by school. Not testing info but map and parcc proficiency

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/

Found one here but it's 2014

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

For the most part, low income students scored fairly well in HSs where the FARMs rate is below about 25%, which is what the study found.. that low income students do better in schools where FARMs % is about 23%.

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Anonymous wrote:What low income neighborhoods are zoned for Whitman?

We keep the poor out of the W's!

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Anonymous wrote:Guys come on. The mcps annual reports with some slicing and dicing are posted online in agh and by school. Not testing info but map and parcc proficiency

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/annualreport/2017/

Found one here but it's 2014

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

For the most part, low income students scored fairly well in HSs where the FARMs rate is below about 25%, which is what the study found.. that low income students do better in schools where FARMs % is about 23%.

A mandate for the diversity bus!

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Found one here but it's 2014

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

For the most part, low income students scored fairly well in HSs where the FARMs rate is below about 25%, which is what the study found.. that low income students do better in schools where FARMs % is about 23%.

A mandate for the diversity bus!

Wait what? First this document shows the opposite!

FARMs kids at Damascus, and Watkins Mill scored substantially higher than FARMS kids at Churchill.
Scores for FARMs kids from Blair, Paint Branch, Springbrook are about the same as each other.
FARMs kids at BCC scored lower than Wheaton, Einstein and Gaithersburg.

Only Poolesville shows substantial scores above all the schools across all races and FARMS kids. What are they doing in Poolesville?

SAT scores are also not a good measurement of how diversity changes would benefit low income kids because many low income kids don't take the test. Its a select population. Its also been found to the least relevant to teaching and in school performance learning as of all the tests it can be heavily influenced by prep, exposure to education at home and long term reading habits.

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Anonymous wrote:We should build low income/high density homes in all nice neighborhoods starting with historic TP and woodside. When those residents welcome them in with open arms then we can talk about moving west.

This makes no sense. There already are low income/high density housing in those areas.

not as much as the surrounding areas. The segregation past that built those areas and their UMC SFHs needs to be stripped down until they reach a level similar to their neighbors. Woodside was built as a white enclave just as Bethesda was.

Woodside Park is surrounded by Woodside Forest, North Woodside, and the neighborhood near downtown Silver Spring (forget the name), none of which are low income. The larger area has some low income housing.

Where is the low income housing near Whitman high school? Where the FARMS rate is less than 5%?

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Found one here but it's 2014

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

For the most part, low income students scored fairly well in HSs where the FARMs rate is below about 25%, which is what the study found.. that low income students do better in schools where FARMs % is about 23%.

A mandate for the diversity bus!

Wait what? First this document shows the opposite!

FARMs kids at Damascus, and Watkins Mill scored substantially higher than FARMS kids at Churchill.
Scores for FARMs kids from Blair, Paint Branch, Springbrook are about the same as each other.
FARMs kids at BCC scored lower than Wheaton, Einstein and Gaithersburg.

Only Poolesville shows substantial scores above all the schools across all races and FARMS kids. What are they doing in Poolesville?

SAT scores are also not a good measurement of how diversity changes would benefit low income kids because many low income kids don't take the test. Its a select population. Its also been found to the least relevant to teaching and in school performance learning as of all the tests it can be heavily influenced by prep, exposure to education at home and long term reading habits.

That's why I said.. "for the most part". There are outliers, but the trend is that low income kids seem to do better (per SAT scores) when the FARMs rate is around the 25% mark. I'm not sure what other measure you could use. If low income kids are taking SATs, then that's a sign that they want to go to college, which is great.

I did notice Poolesville. Wow, there are some super smart kids there.