RM Cluster Overcrowding?

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Anonymous wrote:As previously stated, the change is only for the town center. It’s not like the entire RM district would be changed. You’re blowing this out of proportion.

Anywhere where the TC kids go would be impacted. JWMS would be impacted. The TC development would impact either Beall or BRES. The South Pike development would impact Bayard Rustin ES. And under MCPS new FAA policy, BOE might decide to move kids from BRES to say RPES, Beall, or even CGES.

The town center is at Beall. The projections after the move gave it at only 80% capacity so it is fine. There won’t be many kids living in condos in Rockville anyway. It’s not Bethesda or DC.

That is the mCPS line and it is NOT TRUE. Yes, kids do live in condos.

Of course kids live in condos. Just not many. I rented in the town center, got married, had kids, moved to a pre-existing (not new build) SFH close to the town center. When I lived in the town center there were very few children living there and we wanted a house and yard. I’m unconvinced that condos will drive that many kids to Rockville. People with kids don’t buy condos. They either buy houses, townhouses, or rent garden style apartments.

Will some kids be in the condos? Yes. But there won’t be many. I’d love to see where you are getting this evidence that condos are brimming at the seams with kids.

Except that it is now VERY difficult to sell a condo in that area. Condo prices in MoCo as a whole have gone down due to the overdevelopment. So normally, a couple might buy a ‘starter’ condo and plan to sell it after they have kids. But, turns out, that condo won’t sell and they’re stuck tasing two kids in their 2BR condo until they can finally sell. That’s happened to a few people that we know.

[Anonymous]

Also, lots of people use false addresses in MCPS. This has been discussed before. MCPS can’t track where every student lives. And many families use a relative’s address to attend a school, even when they do not live in bounds for that school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, lots of people use false addresses in MCPS. This has been discussed before. MCPS can’t track where every student lives. And many families use a relative’s address to attend a school, even when they do not live in bounds for that school.

People do that for W schools, not RM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, lots of people use false addresses in MCPS. This has been discussed before. MCPS can’t track where every student lives. And many families use a relative’s address to attend a school, even when they do not live in bounds for that school.

No, but MCPS can (and does) track every address the student provides. Are you saying that there are lots of students who live in, for example, a single-family-detached house in Bethesda, but provide an address in a multi-family building in Rockville in order to attend Julius West MS or Richard Montgomery HS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, lots of people use false addresses in MCPS. This has been discussed before. MCPS can’t track where every student lives. And many families use a relative’s address to attend a school, even when they do not live in bounds for that school.

People do that for W schools, not RM.

RM gets you into the IB program in 11th grade. They do it for RM.

[Anonymous]

I know someone doing it for RM now. Nice family. Used to live in Grandma's house, but bought something upcounty. I don't know why they don't go to the school closer to home. I didn't know they have moved until my DC told me. "Oh, his grandma still lives there, so that's why."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As previously stated, the change is only for the town center. It’s not like the entire RM district would be changed. You’re blowing this out of proportion.

Anywhere where the TC kids go would be impacted. JWMS would be impacted. The TC development would impact either Beall or BRES. The South Pike development would impact Bayard Rustin ES. And under MCPS new FAA policy, BOE might decide to move kids from BRES to say RPES, Beall, or even CGES.

The town center is at Beall. The projections after the move gave it at only 80% capacity so it is fine. There won’t be many kids living in condos in Rockville anyway. It’s not Bethesda or DC.

That is the mCPS line and it is NOT TRUE. Yes, kids do live in condos.

When has MCPS ever said that no kids live in condos? Everybody knows that kids live in condos. MCPS has lots of bus stops at condo buildings.

These are the numbers for MCPS students per residential unit in the southwestern part of the county, which includes the Richard Montgomery HS cluster. They are based on the addresses students provide to MCPS as their home addresses:

451 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family detached houses
408 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family attached houses
291 K-12 students per 1,000 units in low/mid-rise multi-family buildings
108 K-12 students per 1,000 units in high-rise multi-family buildings

As far as I know, the proposed buildings at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook all are in the high-rise multi-family category. So for every 1,000 units, we should expect 55 elementary-school students, 22 middle-school students, and 31 high-school students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone doing it for RM now. Nice family. Used to live in Grandma's house, but bought something upcounty. I don't know why they don't go to the school closer to home. I didn't know they have moved until my DC told me. "Oh, his grandma still lives there, so that's why."

If their address of record is in the Richard Montgomery cluster, then they're included in the Richard Montgomery cluster's projected enrollment.

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City Council decides within city limit about any new constructions. MCPS hs nothing to do with it. City council wants to put additional kids in RM cluster when it;s already overcrowded to the point that it's reaching 120% capacity.

It means for 2000 capacity, we will have 400 extra students with 120% limit. Who in the right mind would want to add more kids here.

We have elected City Council to serve everyone and not simply serve developers or grocery stores.

If the school capacity existed, would you support or oppose the proposed new buildings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As previously stated, the change is only for the town center. It’s not like the entire RM district would be changed. You’re blowing this out of proportion.

Anywhere where the TC kids go would be impacted. JWMS would be impacted. The TC development would impact either Beall or BRES. The South Pike development would impact Bayard Rustin ES. And under MCPS new FAA policy, BOE might decide to move kids from BRES to say RPES, Beall, or even CGES.

The town center is at Beall. The projections after the move gave it at only 80% capacity so it is fine. There won’t be many kids living in condos in Rockville anyway. It’s not Bethesda or DC.

That is the mCPS line and it is NOT TRUE. Yes, kids do live in condos.

When has MCPS ever said that no kids live in condos? Everybody knows that kids live in condos. MCPS has lots of bus stops at condo buildings.

These are the numbers for MCPS students per residential unit in the southwestern part of the county, which includes the Richard Montgomery HS cluster. They are based on the addresses students provide to MCPS as their home addresses:

451 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family detached houses
408 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family attached houses
291 K-12 students per 1,000 units in low/mid-rise multi-family buildings
108 K-12 students per 1,000 units in high-rise multi-family buildings

As far as I know, the proposed buildings at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook all are in the high-rise multi-family category. So for every 1,000 units, we should expect 55 elementary-school students, 22 middle-school students, and 31 high-school students.

I assume you're just applying the percentage of overall student population in elementary/middle/high to those increase numbers to get the breakdown. But I would assume in the high rise condos the percentages skew towards elementary school. What is the evidence that new condos in Town Center are going to lead to a huge increase in students at RM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As previously stated, the change is only for the town center. It’s not like the entire RM district would be changed. You’re blowing this out of proportion.

Anywhere where the TC kids go would be impacted. JWMS would be impacted. The TC development would impact either Beall or BRES. The South Pike development would impact Bayard Rustin ES. And under MCPS new FAA policy, BOE might decide to move kids from BRES to say RPES, Beall, or even CGES.

The town center is at Beall. The projections after the move gave it at only 80% capacity so it is fine. There won’t be many kids living in condos in Rockville anyway. It’s not Bethesda or DC.

That is the mCPS line and it is NOT TRUE. Yes, kids do live in condos.

When has MCPS ever said that no kids live in condos? Everybody knows that kids live in condos. MCPS has lots of bus stops at condo buildings.

These are the numbers for MCPS students per residential unit in the southwestern part of the county, which includes the Richard Montgomery HS cluster. They are based on the addresses students provide to MCPS as their home addresses:

451 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family detached houses
408 K-12 students per 1,000 single-family attached houses
291 K-12 students per 1,000 units in low/mid-rise multi-family buildings
108 K-12 students per 1,000 units in high-rise multi-family buildings

As far as I know, the proposed buildings at Rockville Town Center and Twinbrook all are in the high-rise multi-family category. So for every 1,000 units, we should expect 55 elementary-school students, 22 middle-school students, and 31 high-school students.

I assume you're just applying the percentage of overall student population in elementary/middle/high to those increase numbers to get the breakdown. But I would assume in the high rise condos the percentages skew towards elementary school. What is the evidence that new condos in Town Center are going to lead to a huge increase in students at RM?

No. See p. 16:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there also a large development project planned for the Stonestreet area? I remember hearing about it, but would have to look up details. Will that be additional housing units feeding into JW and RM?

https://www.rockvillemd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/28548/Stonestreet-Corridor-Study---Final---May-11-2018

They plan to rezone some of the area from Single Family Residential (R-60) to Mixed Use Neighborhood Commercial (MXNC) and Residential Medium Density (RMD-15), which will allow duplexes, quads, townhouses and stacked flats.

There is nothing planned. The rezoning is in hope of getting some development there. It's not going to happen in the SFH areas without City using eminent domain, which is not going to happen. Plus, this area is zoned for Rockville, not RM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

City Council decides within city limit about any new constructions. MCPS hs nothing to do with it. City council wants to put additional kids in RM cluster when it;s already overcrowded to the point that it's reaching 120% capacity.

It means for 2000 capacity, we will have 400 extra students with 120% limit. Who in the right mind would want to add more kids here.

We have elected City Council to serve everyone and not simply serve developers or grocery stores.

If the school capacity existed, would you support or oppose the proposed new buildings?

Sure, why not? I have no issue with development, but not at expense of Kids education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there also a large development project planned for the Stonestreet area? I remember hearing about it, but would have to look up details. Will that be additional housing units feeding into JW and RM?

https://www.rockvillemd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/28548/Stonestreet-Corridor-Study---Final---May-11-2018

They plan to rezone some of the area from Single Family Residential (R-60) to Mixed Use Neighborhood Commercial (MXNC) and Residential Medium Density (RMD-15), which will allow duplexes, quads, townhouses and stacked flats.

There is nothing planned. The rezoning is in hope of getting some development there. It's not going to happen in the SFH areas without City using eminent domain, which is not going to happen. Plus, this area is zoned for Rockville, not RM.

If the zoning allows duplexes, triplexes, quads, townhouses, and stacked flats, then they will get built if builders think the demand is there. No need for eminent domain.

I think this is a good thing. The City of Minneapolis just voted to eliminate single-family-detached as a zoning category. Residential structures with up to 3 units will now be allowed in every neighborhood.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/minneapolis-single-family-zoning.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, lots of people use false addresses in MCPS. This has been discussed before. MCPS can’t track where every student lives. And many families use a relative’s address to attend a school, even when they do not live in bounds for that school.

No, but MCPS can (and does) track every address the student provides. Are you saying that there are lots of students who live in, for example, a single-family-detached house in Bethesda, but provide an address in a multi-family building in Rockville in order to attend Julius West MS or Richard Montgomery HS?

Isn't RM higher ranked than BCC for academics?