That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

I did too. Same result.

I reported it as "hate speech". Maybe it was the wrong category? I can't imagine anyone would be okay with a website like that. Shame on Facebook.

That website is a parody, right? I mean it has to be. Right? Please let that website be just a parody.

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I think it must be.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.

Not to mention that the PP has her/his head up their ass if they think we aren't also a domestic-violence-victim-blaming society. It's a joke. Yes, PP, we as a society do in fact blame victims of domestic violence. To take your analogy to its conclusion, just so you GET IT, if a victim is "advised" to uproot their life and go live in secret with a bunch of strangers, thereby elevating her risk of future violence, yes, we blame the shit out of her if she doesn't actually do it. But go read the newspaper and see how many murder-suicides there are of women and kids by men AFTER they left and tell me how that safety talk goes. It's more complicated than that and your oversimplification is just as dangerous as all the others on here.

If you're the same poster picking and choosing posted info and misinterpreting it on purpose, you have a problem with the way you continually and angrily demean other people's opinions. I know what we teach middle school and high school kids in my school system about personal safety, alcohol, drugs, emotional and physical abuse by a girlfriend/boyfriend, consensual sex, and rape. We do NOT blame victims. We DO try to teach them how to be safe to the extent possible. Will add that no one on this thread has implied or said (as you put it) "there would be no rapists at all if women took better care of themselves."

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

I did too. Same result.

I reported it as "hate speech". Maybe it was the wrong category? I can't imagine anyone would be okay with a website like that. Shame on Facebook.

PP here, I chose harassment. It just seems like a lot of the hatefulness is directed at his victim...it is sick

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.

Not to mention that the PP has her/his head up their ass if they think we aren't also a domestic-violence-victim-blaming society. It's a joke. Yes, PP, we as a society do in fact blame victims of domestic violence. To take your analogy to its conclusion, just so you GET IT, if a victim is "advised" to uproot their life and go live in secret with a bunch of strangers, thereby elevating her risk of future violence, yes, we blame the shit out of her if she doesn't actually do it. But go read the newspaper and see how many murder-suicides there are of women and kids by men AFTER they left and tell me how that safety talk goes. It's more complicated than that and your oversimplification is just as dangerous as all the others on here.

If you're the same poster picking and choosing posted info and misinterpreting it on purpose, you have a problem with the way you continually and angrily demean other people's opinions. I know what we teach middle school and high school kids in my school system about personal safety, alcohol, drugs, emotional and physical abuse by a girlfriend/boyfriend, consensual sex, and rape. We do NOT blame victims. We DO try to teach them how to be safe to the extent possible. Will add that no one on this thread has implied or said (as you put it) "there would be no rapists at all if women took better care of themselves."

I am a poster you accused of picking and choosing earlier and this is not my comment so shockingly for you, there are more than one of us who don't agree That your comments aren't victim blaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

It's simple anatomy. Men have to enter a woman. Women do not enter a man and for the most part can't force a man to have sex. Additionally, women are able to get pregnant and men are not. All of these facts are what lead us to concern over rape. Additionally women typically aren't as strong and able to defend themselves. Even if this woman was completely sober she probably wouldn't have been able to defend herself against a student athlete much larger and stronger.

I'm concerned you don't understand this.

I am concerned you attribute any of this to a drunk kid. Save it for the guy who raped the woman on metro.

The "drunk kid" and the "guy on the metro" are both rapists. They are both felons.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.

Not to mention that the PP has her/his head up their ass if they think we aren't also a domestic-violence-victim-blaming society. It's a joke. Yes, PP, we as a society do in fact blame victims of domestic violence. To take your analogy to its conclusion, just so you GET IT, if a victim is "advised" to uproot their life and go live in secret with a bunch of strangers, thereby elevating her risk of future violence, yes, we blame the shit out of her if she doesn't actually do it. But go read the newspaper and see how many murder-suicides there are of women and kids by men AFTER they left and tell me how that safety talk goes. It's more complicated than that and your oversimplification is just as dangerous as all the others on here.

If you're the same poster picking and choosing posted info and misinterpreting it on purpose, you have a problem with the way you continually and angrily demean other people's opinions. I know what we teach middle school and high school kids in my school system about personal safety, alcohol, drugs, emotional and physical abuse by a girlfriend/boyfriend, consensual sex, and rape. We do NOT blame victims. We DO try to teach them how to be safe to the extent possible. Will add that no one on this thread has implied or said (as you put it) "there would be no rapists at all if women took better care of themselves."

I am a poster you accused of picking and choosing earlier and this is not my comment so shockingly for you, there are more than one of us who don't agree That your comments aren't victim blaming.

Okay, then several (many?) of you think it's victim blaming to teach the importance of safety precautions and want to talk away every attempt to explain why it's needed. As someone who works in a very large school system, I know the merits of our program. It's also taught by a number of women who have experienced violence, abuse, and rape. They think it's extremely important.

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Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Okay, so if you leave your back door unlocked and a burglar comes into your house and takes all of your valuables, does that no longer make him a criminal?

The question is one of whether we live in a society where we should expect to be victims of crimes and live accordingly or the reverse. Yes, it's prudent to lock your front door, but when you get robbed the only person the police will be blaming is the person is the burglar. Rape is one of the only crimes where the onus seems to be on the victim to prove that s/he's done everything in their power to prevent the crime before people are willing to concede that maybe the perpetrator actually committed a crime. Imagine a world where it's common to say, "Well, the homeowner obviously wanted to have all of their valuables taken from their house. They left their back door unlocked, and they didn't have an alarm system or choose to live in a neighborhood with an active Neighborhood Watch." That's what the world is like for rape victims.

My home was burglarized. when the cops came, one of them looked at the alarm pad and asked if the alarm went off. I told him that the alarm had been off during the burglary. He gave me a weird look and shook his head. Yes, I felt quite unfavorably judged at that moment in time.

When they found the guys did they ask you a million embarrassing questions then let them off with a slap on the wrist because of your negligence?

LOL. The cops never looked for the thieves.

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I don't think this is the right place to talk about how women can be safer. I think it sends a really bad message to women (and men) when people respond this way.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is the right place to talk about how women can be safer. I think it sends a really bad message to women (and men) when people respond this way.

Not sure what you mean by a really bad message. Safety's pretty darn important for women, considering all that can happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.

Not to mention that the PP has her/his head up their ass if they think we aren't also a domestic-violence-victim-blaming society. It's a joke. Yes, PP, we as a society do in fact blame victims of domestic violence. To take your analogy to its conclusion, just so you GET IT, if a victim is "advised" to uproot their life and go live in secret with a bunch of strangers, thereby elevating her risk of future violence, yes, we blame the shit out of her if she doesn't actually do it. But go read the newspaper and see how many murder-suicides there are of women and kids by men AFTER they left and tell me how that safety talk goes. It's more complicated than that and your oversimplification is just as dangerous as all the others on here.

If you're the same poster picking and choosing posted info and misinterpreting it on purpose, you have a problem with the way you continually and angrily demean other people's opinions. I know what we teach middle school and high school kids in my school system about personal safety, alcohol, drugs, emotional and physical abuse by a girlfriend/boyfriend, consensual sex, and rape. We do NOT blame victims. We DO try to teach them how to be safe to the extent possible. Will add that no one on this thread has implied or said (as you put it) "there would be no rapists at all if women took better care of themselves."

I am a poster you accused of picking and choosing earlier and this is not my comment so shockingly for you, there are more than one of us who don't agree That your comments aren't victim blaming.

Okay, then several (many?) of you think it's victim blaming to teach the importance of safety precautions and want to talk away every attempt to explain why it's needed. As someone who works in a very large school system, I know the merits of our program. It's also taught by a number of women who have experienced violence, abuse, and rape. They think it's extremely important.

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Practicing basic safety is important
But this girl went to a party with her sister and accidentally got drunk. And how drunk she was HAS NO BEARING on the fact that she came in contact with a predator who chose to rape her. So to come in here and say "well this is why we teach basic safety" is smug and harmful. YES, you are insinuating she knowingly engaged in "risky" behavior and what happened is not unexpected. It is NOT HER FAULT a disgusting man chose to rape her. At all. And nobody wants to have a discourse with you that validates the idea it is or that she contributed to HER RAPE.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is the right place to talk about how women can be safer. I think it sends a really bad message to women (and men) when people respond this way.

This place? Do you mean this thread, or DCUM? Either way, were all too old to go to first to drink or hookup. I'm not sure who you're worried about, when you say really bad message. Our kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.

Not to mention that the PP has her/his head up their ass if they think we aren't also a domestic-violence-victim-blaming society. It's a joke. Yes, PP, we as a society do in fact blame victims of domestic violence. To take your analogy to its conclusion, just so you GET IT, if a victim is "advised" to uproot their life and go live in secret with a bunch of strangers, thereby elevating her risk of future violence, yes, we blame the shit out of her if she doesn't actually do it. But go read the newspaper and see how many murder-suicides there are of women and kids by men AFTER they left and tell me how that safety talk goes. It's more complicated than that and your oversimplification is just as dangerous as all the others on here.

If you're the same poster picking and choosing posted info and misinterpreting it on purpose, you have a problem with the way you continually and angrily demean other people's opinions. I know what we teach middle school and high school kids in my school system about personal safety, alcohol, drugs, emotional and physical abuse by a girlfriend/boyfriend, consensual sex, and rape. We do NOT blame victims. We DO try to teach them how to be safe to the extent possible. Will add that no one on this thread has implied or said (as you put it) "there would be no rapists at all if women took better care of themselves."

I am a poster you accused of picking and choosing earlier and this is not my comment so shockingly for you, there are more than one of us who don't agree That your comments aren't victim blaming.

Okay, then several (many?) of you think it's victim blaming to teach the importance of safety precautions and want to talk away every attempt to explain why it's needed. As someone who works in a very large school system, I know the merits of our program. It's also taught by a number of women who have experienced violence, abuse, and rape. They think it's extremely important.

Oh my God
Yes
For the last time
Practicing basic safety is important
But this girl went to a party with her sister and accidentally got drunk. And how drunk she was HAS NO BEARING on the fact that she came in contact with a predator who chose to rape her. So to come in here and say "well this is why we teach basic safety" is smug and harmful. YES, you are insinuating she knowingly engaged in "risky" behavior and what happened is not unexpected. It is NOT HER FAULT a disgusting man chose to rape her. At all. And nobody wants to have a discourse with you that validates the idea it is or that she contributed to HER RAPE.[b]

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

Obviously! Did you see ANY pictures of a woman breastfeeding her baby? That page is completely above board.

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Here's the thing about the argument for telling women to be safer- We've always known that. My friends and I knew it when I was in my 20's, yet one got raped. We traveled in packs never left anyone behind, watched our drinks etc.. but it happened. It happened to my sister and my best friend from high school. I've always known the rules. Women are all drilled on the rules and yet rape continues. Maybe we aren't the problem.