That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Absolutely no bearing on the fact that a man chose to rape her. Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

It's simple anatomy. Men have to enter a woman. Women do not enter a man and for the most part can't force a man to have sex. Additionally, women are able to get pregnant and men are not. All of these facts are what lead us to concern over rape. Additionally women typically aren't as strong and able to defend themselves. Even if this woman was completely sober she probably wouldn't have been able to defend herself against a student athlete much larger and stronger.

I'm concerned you don't understand this.

I am concerned you attribute any of this to a drunk kid. Save it for the guy who raped the woman on metro.

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Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Okay, so if you leave your back door unlocked and a burglar comes into your house and takes all of your valuables, does that no longer make him a criminal?

The question is one of whether we live in a society where we should expect to be victims of crimes and live accordingly or the reverse. Yes, it's prudent to lock your front door, but when you get robbed the only person the police will be blaming is the person is the burglar. Rape is one of the only crimes where the onus seems to be on the victim to prove that s/he's done everything in their power to prevent the crime before people are willing to concede that maybe the perpetrator actually committed a crime. Imagine a world where it's common to say, "Well, the homeowner obviously wanted to have all of their valuables taken from their house. They left their back door unlocked, and they didn't have an alarm system or choose to live in a neighborhood with an active Neighborhood Watch." That's what the world is like for rape victims.

My home was burglarized. when the cops came, one of them looked at the alarm pad and asked if the alarm went off. I told him that the alarm had been off during the burglary. He gave me a weird look and shook his head. Yes, I felt quite unfavorably judged at that moment in time.

This is why I recommend to all young women that they leave their vagina at home in a locked safe when they go out with their friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Absolutely no bearing on the fact that a man chose to rape her. Zero.

California has equated having sex with a drunk woman and having sex with an unconscious woman. It's true, had she been awake and drunk, and saying yes, he'd be just as much of a rapist. Does that make sense? (Getting blackout drunk and having sex go together. It's not uncommon.)

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I'm totally sickened by his father's defense letter: I had to hide my chips and pretzels! WTF.

The apple doesn't fall far I suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Absolutely no bearing on the fact that a man chose to rape her. Zero.

California has equated having sex with a drunk woman and having sex with an unconscious woman. It's true, had she been awake and drunk, and saying yes, he'd be just as much of a rapist. Does that make sense? (Getting blackout drunk and having sex go together. It's not uncommon.)

what's your point? Its a crime. Yes.

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What I find most scary is that Brock is likely not a "monster." I'm afraid he is a symbol and a product of the culture. I would bet he doesn't lack intelligence, or come from a disadvantaged or abusive background, or suffer from a personality disorder. He probably won't ever do this again.

Our culture - frat, athlete, college, what-have-you - is so f*cked up that a smart guy, amazing athlete (think of the discipline/focus required to be an all-American swimmer) with everything going for him - is so intent on hooking up, and feels so entitled, that he finds himself raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and then rationalizing it. This AFTER a million news stories (and I'm sure a million awareness campaigns at Stanford) about what consent is and how this hurts the victim.

It's so shocking and horrible. I read that the Swede(s) were crying at the scene at the horror.

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Anonymous wrote:What I find most scary is that Brock is likely not a "monster." I'm afraid he is a symbol and a product of the culture. I would bet he doesn't lack intelligence, or come from a disadvantaged or abusive background, or suffer from a personality disorder. He probably won't ever do this again.

Our culture - frat, athlete, college, what-have-you - is so f*cked up that a smart guy, amazing athlete (think of the discipline/focus required to be an all-American swimmer) with everything going for him - is so intent on hooking up, and feels so entitled, that he finds himself raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and then rationalizing it. This AFTER a million news stories (and I'm sure a million awareness campaigns at Stanford) about what consent is and how this hurts the victim.

It's so shocking and horrible. I read that the Swede(s) were crying at the scene at the horror.

If they were Americans they probably would have kept going. Or filmed it. Or joined in.

Our society is so fucked.

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Anonymous wrote:What I find most scary is that Brock is likely not a "monster." I'm afraid he is a symbol and a product of the culture. I would bet he doesn't lack intelligence, or come from a disadvantaged or abusive background, or suffer from a personality disorder. He probably won't ever do this again.

Our culture - frat, athlete, college, what-have-you - is so f*cked up that a smart guy, amazing athlete (think of the discipline/focus required to be an all-American swimmer) with everything going for him - is so intent on hooking up, and feels so entitled, that he finds himself raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and then rationalizing it. This AFTER a million news stories (and I'm sure a million awareness campaigns at Stanford) about what consent is and how this hurts the victim.

It's so shocking and horrible. I read that the Swede(s) were crying at the scene at the horror.

Hookup culture is extremely self-destructive. Very damaging.

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I find most scary is that Brock is likely not a "monster." I'm afraid he is a symbol and a product of the culture. I would bet he doesn't lack intelligence, or come from a disadvantaged or abusive background, or suffer from a personality disorder. He probably won't ever do this again.

Our culture - frat, athlete, college, what-have-you - is so f*cked up that a smart guy, amazing athlete (think of the discipline/focus required to be an all-American swimmer) with everything going for him - is so intent on hooking up, and feels so entitled, that he finds himself raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and then rationalizing it. This AFTER a million news stories (and I'm sure a million awareness campaigns at Stanford) about what consent is and how this hurts the victim.

It's so shocking and horrible. I read that the Swede(s) were crying at the scene at the horror.

Hookup culture is extremely self-destructive. Very damaging.

does hook-up culture involve assaulting an unconscious person behind a dumpster? go to hell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

This is victim blaming and rape excusal. 100%. Did you read her statement, all the way through?

Newsflash: women can do everything "right" and still get raped. It's not on her for drinking, it's on him for raping. And people like you for blaming.

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Anonymous wrote:What I find most scary is that Brock is likely not a "monster." I'm afraid he is a symbol and a product of the culture. I would bet he doesn't lack intelligence, or come from a disadvantaged or abusive background, or suffer from a personality disorder. He probably won't ever do this again.

Our culture - frat, athlete, college, what-have-you - is so f*cked up that a smart guy, amazing athlete (think of the discipline/focus required to be an all-American swimmer) with everything going for him - is so intent on hooking up, and feels so entitled, that he finds himself raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and then rationalizing it. This AFTER a million news stories (and I'm sure a million awareness campaigns at Stanford) about what consent is and how this hurts the victim.

It's so shocking and horrible. I read that the Swede(s) were crying at the scene at the horror.

Hookup culture is extremely self-destructive. Very damaging.

Can you explain what about this rape has anything to do with "hook up" culture?

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

I did too. Same result.

I reported it as "hate speech". Maybe it was the wrong category? I can't imagine anyone would be okay with a website like that. Shame on Facebook.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

I reported it this morning after finding on this thread- Facebook says it doesn't violate any of their policies

Not to derail but the NYT just published a piece on Facebook's serious oversights:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/05/your-money/everybody-loves-a-hero-especially-facebook-fraudsters.html