Humanize Palestine
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Yes, we do and we let a lot of them walk free.... But I don't think you want to compare America's judicial system to that of a country that is occupied, stateless and has been in war for over 6 decades. And even if every single Palestinian believed and practiced honor killing, what would be your point? That they deserve to be bombed and killed? Why don't we start executing all people who are suicidal since they don't value life..... |
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Unfortunately, this is not the only case of such abuses by the IDF and the punishment never fits the crime. This creates experiences that scar these kids for life. For years credible reports of human rights abuses against children living under Israeli military occupation have emerged but they almost never get prosecuted. |
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That is no excuse for honor killings, sorry, especially when it is condoned within the religion and by government. Suicide affects the one who commits suicide. Suicide bombers, on the other hand, deliberately kill others -and are honored for it. In the US! Mass murderers are roundly condemned, not glorified. Saying Israel does not respect the lives of people when those people don't respect the lives of their own, is hypocrisy of the highest order. |
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Choose your argument. Which one is it? Honor killing? Suicide bombing? and they are not condoned by the religion, get your facts right. And even if every single person in Gaza was blowing himself/herself up, it wouldn't absolve Israel, so that is irrelevant. |
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So, SO easy. Are you woefully I'll-informed or deliberately misleading? http://www.feminist.com/violence/spot/honor.html Israel is correct to defend herself from people who have shown they don't respect life, of their own people, or of Jews. If Palestinians want to blow themselves up, have at it. Killing innocents through suicide -their own or otherwise - is reprehensible. |
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Your argument is that Israel should prevent women from being killed in honor killings by killing the women with bombs and missiles first? That seems pretty crazy to me. |
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I don't know what that link about Jordan is for, but thank you for sharing. We will still fight to free Palestine and one day Gaza and its people will be free ~ |
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| Propaganda queen. Good Lord |
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Muslima, a number of us have asked you this but you keep skirting around these questions.
1) if Israel gives in to all of hamas's demands of lifting the blockade, free trade of whatever, etc, what assurances does Israel have that Hamas won't continue to shoot rockets at them? Won't continue creating these tunnels into Israel? I think that's a pretty basic question. 2). Why do you support Hamas and their tactics? |
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Just go ahead and say what you mean to say: it's OK to kill people I consider flawed. that's your whole argument, innit? |
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I have responded to both questions in my previous posts that I think are searchable on the site? But to give you a quick answer, one has to understand the Palestinian perspective on the Israeli colonization of Palestine that started in the late 19th century. I think three generations later, Palestinians understand that the Israelis are there to stay. I don't think there is any serious Palestinian leader, including in the Hamas, that really believes that it can make the Israelis go, or that even want the Israelis to go. It's a question of what kind of regime would reign between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. Why do I support Hamas? I have said many times that Hamas was created with the help of Israel and backed by Israel to make it the strong force that it is but when Hamas stopped service their purpose, they recognized it as a terrorist organization, the UN doesn't recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization. And finally, Hamas is the government elected by Gaza in elections that Jimmy Carter (and many others) observed and said were completely fair and free. I am not a cheerleader for Hamas and do not SUPPORT everything that they do, but I recognize their right to resist occupation. What is Israel’s end goal? What if Hamas dug tunnels beneath the entirety of the Gaza Strip—they clearly did not, but let us assume they did for the sake of argument. According to Israel’s logic, all of Gaza’s 1.8 million Palestinians are therefore human shields for being born Palestinian in Gaza. The solution is to destroy the 360-kilometer square strip of land and to expect a watching world to accept this catastrophic loss as incidental. This is possible only by framing and accepting the dehumanization of Palestinian life. Despite the absurdity of this proposal, it is precisely what Israeli society is urging its military leadership to do. Israel cannot bomb Palestinians into submission, and it certainly cannot bomb them into peace. |
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I would love to see the humanization of Palestine. But humans do not use there children as tactical weapons in a fight.
http://www.quora.com/Why-would-the-IDF-arrest-Palestinian-teens-playing-soccer/answers/5937254?srid=t6d&share=1 |
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The Israelis dehumanize anyone who isn't Jewish, and kill children indiscriminately. I don't recognize any humanity in their leadership at all.
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Perhaps they took a page out of IDF's playbook - IDF uses children and civilians to check houses of suspected terrorists before entering, and has asked children to search bags it suspects of containing explosives. It has also shot and killed at Palestinian civilians with complete impunity or only the puniest of charges - like a reprimand for the cold-blooded murder of children in security zones. This is from the case of Iman al-Hams: From the watchtower [three-way conversation between watchtower soldier, the operations room in another location, and finally, Captain R, the officer on the ground near watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over." From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out." Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over." Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2 |
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Where is your evidence that his parents sent him? From the article you shared :
Maybe you should wonder what makes someone so desperate that they think their only way out is to blow themselves up. For over two generations the Palestinians have been humiliated and in many cases hunted down and killed by Israeli soldiers and settlers operating within Israeli law or on the edge of it. You would not survive a week in Gaza. But because every day, someone points this out to me. I will tell you what i think about suicide bombing. I am totally against suicide bomber. Those who claim to follow the final divine scripture and call themselves muslims, must live up to highest moral standards, not to evil choices, and respect human life regardless of the label that it carries. The Divine demands from the follower of His message to work for peace and justice through peaceful means, not through violence or anger. The Divine demands that His followers should never lower their moral standards to the standard of the people who fight them. The Quran does not give us permission to do these things, it doesn't, and I know that there are people going around making a name for themselves, going around telling the youth this and abusing their weakness. It violates every tenet of Islam. As a Muslim, as a human begin, I am filled with horror at images of men, women and children torn to shreds by the madness of people who turn themselves into incendiary devices. And I am filled with outrage and fury at the diabolic forces that seek to present this monstrous, murderous, terrorist activity as somehow sanctioned by my faith. Muslims always took great pride in the fact that they acted honorably, even in war. They looked with contempt upon the warriors of Europe, who slaughtered civilians mercilessly during the Crusades. When the Muslim leader Saladin defeated the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem and retook the holy city, he spared its Christian populace and pointedly said: "We will not do to you what you did to us." In Dying to Win, Robert Pape, a scholar at the University of Chicago, analyzes the history and motivation of suicide bombers. Many people who read the book will be surprised to learn that suicide bombing was a tactic that was first used regularly by Hindu terrorists known as the Tamil Tigers.According to Pape, Gandhi's murder marks the first use of the "suicide vest" which has become the tool of suicide bombers throughout the world today One of the greatest tragedies of modern Islam is that Muslim extremists began to adopt this horrific tactic of suicide bombing over the past two decades. Palestinian militants, arguing that they had no other effective way to combat Israeli oppression, began to employ these tactics, and the image of the "Muslim suicide bomber" began to take hold in the media. I remember at the time most Muslims I spoke with expressed disgust at these horrific acts, but some added the caveat -- "What else can these poor people do? They have no tanks or jets to take on Israeli tanks and jets. This is their only way to fight." My response then and now is that Islam is a religion that has established rules of war for a reason. Human conflict is perhaps inevitable, but unless there is a sense of morality among warriors, even among the warriors of the oppressed, human beings will descend into monstrosity. The nobility of a cause is forever tainted when dipped in the blood of innocents. The argument that Israeli military activities kill countless Palestinian civilians is not an argument that is supported by the noble spirit of Islam. As Saladin pointed out, the Muslims would not inflict on the Christians the atrocities that the Crusaders had inflicted on their victims. So next time, you want to talk about suicide bombing, know one thing, I am against it and that doesn't change how i feel about Palestine and its children. IT saddens me to know that somewhere, someone is so desperate that they would choose to kill themselves, that they would think that this is their only option. One day Palestine will be free, that's my hope and we are not giving up. |