Humanize Palestine

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From an outsider's perspective, I wonder if you could explain why Palestinians and their supporters often continue to use the word "martyrs" to refer to Gazans killed in this conflict. The pain and devastation is obvious and palpable, yet I believe the language suggests to many Americans that Hamas treats killed "martrys" as their currency in trade.

I wish for a world with fewer martyrs and more children growing up with their basic needs met.

That is just an Islamic term and really has been vilified by the West. We even call people who die in childbirth and car accidents martyrs. In Islam, we believe that certain types of deaths elevate the person to a certain level in the Hereafter, because of how painful or tragic the death is. The arabic term is "Shaheed". This has nothing to do with wanting to die, or suicide bombing, terrorism ect.

-The one who dies from a long disease is considered a martyr
-A pregnant woman who dies in pregnancy or while giving birth is considered a martyr
-Whoever is killed defending his property is a martyr.
-he who dies in defense of his own life is a martyr; he who dies in defense of his faith is a martyr; and he who dies in defense of his family is a martyr.
-The one who speaks to a tyrannical leader and commands and forbids him, then the latter kills him–he is a martyr
-Whoever is killed unjustly is considered a martyr.
ect....

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So, whenever a Muslim dies in one of these ways, you will hear other Muslims call him/her "Martyr" and that is why you hear that in Palestine. Muslims believe that the highest and most honorable death is to die as a Martyr, that doesn't mean we walk around wanting to die or we want to die on a battlefield. To the contrary, like i said earlier even dying in a car accident is considered dying as a martyr. We just believe that the reward of the martyr is superior to any other in the after life, and we consider people who are killed in Palestine of having been killed unjustly, that is why you will hear people call them "Martyrs"

So basically you glorify death. That's why Hamas uses human beings as shields.

We do not glorify death, we mourn our dead the same way you do, we hurt and pain the same way any other human does when they lose a love one. We also believe in another Life after Death, so we do not look at death or this life as the finality of it all!

So do I. But I don't wire my own children or animals as bombs. That's barbaric

[Muslima]

Who wires their children and animals as bombs?

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:Who wires their children and animals as bombs?

Don't play dumb. You know damn well this is a Palestian tactic.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4601244/ns/msnbc-the_abrams_report/t/turning-blind-eye-child-suicide-bombers/

[Muslima]

Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

[Muslima]

But we have you the strong minded individual to come to their rescue, so there is balance in the world

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

Thank you! I can't believe we have to sit here being lied to. Palestinians sacrifice their own family and neighbors in their zeal to lay the guilt of the murders at the feet of others they deeply, deeply desire to murder. Then they call out to the world to witness the suffering they are inflicting upon themselves. Sick. Sick. Sick.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

Thank you! I can't believe we have to sit here being lied to. Palestinians sacrifice their own family and neighbors in their zeal to lay the guilt of the murders at the feet of others they deeply, deeply desire to murder. Then they call out to the world to witness the suffering they are inflicting upon themselves. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Let me get this straight. You are insulted that someone is trying to humanize Palestinians? You actually believe that it is a lie that Palestinians could be humanized. And, this is because you don't believe Palestinians to be human?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.

Monopolize a thread? More like preach from the DcUm pulpit. And preach propaganda at that!

This is so funny. I think Anonymous is the one monopolizing the thread and spreading their own version(s) of propaganda. At least Muslimina identifies her posts.

Signed

Anonymous (I might be one or I might be ten)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

Thank you! I can't believe we have to sit here being lied to. Palestinians sacrifice their own family and neighbors in their zeal to lay the guilt of the murders at the feet of others they deeply, deeply desire to murder. Then they call out to the world to witness the suffering they are inflicting upon themselves. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Let me get this straight. You are insulted that someone is trying to humanize Palestinians? You actually believe that it is a lie that Palestinians could be humanized. And, this is because you don't believe Palestinians to be human?

Not the PP but...I assume you approve of Palestinians de-humanizing their children?

That you can be manipulated by the likes of Muslima speaks volumes

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

Thank you! I can't believe we have to sit here being lied to. Palestinians sacrifice their own family and neighbors in their zeal to lay the guilt of the murders at the feet of others they deeply, deeply desire to murder. Then they call out to the world to witness the suffering they are inflicting upon themselves. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Let me get this straight. You are insulted that someone is trying to humanize Palestinians? You actually believe that it is a lie that Palestinians could be humanized. And, this is because you don't believe Palestinians to be human?

Don't you know that the Israelis and their supporters are the same side of the coin as Joeseph Goebbles and his propaganda. The way they feel about palestinians is the way the Nazi felt about Jews. The way Hitler and his supporters dehumanized the Jews is the way Israel and it's supporters dehumanize Palestinians. You would think they of all people would get this and have empathy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.

Monopolize a thread? More like preach from the DcUm pulpit. And preach propaganda at that!

This is so funny. I think Anonymous is the one monopolizing the thread and spreading their own version(s) of propaganda. At least Muslimina identifies her posts.

Signed

Anonymous (I might be one or I might be ten)

I don't think all her posts are identified. Based on the strong writing similarities in posts before she identified herself, you might conclude they belong to her. Also, when someone logs off, that's not to say they don't post anonymously.

It's not a bad thing, far from it.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.

Monopolize a thread? More like preach from the DcUm pulpit. And preach propaganda at that!

This is so funny. I think Anonymous is the one monopolizing the thread and spreading their own version(s) of propaganda. At least Muslimina identifies her posts.

Signed

Anonymous (I might be one or I might be ten)

I don't think all her posts are identified. Based on the strong writing similarities in posts before she identified herself, you might conclude they belong to her. Also, when someone logs off, that's not to say they don't post anonymously.

It's not a bad thing, far from it.

Just because you think something doesn't make it true. I did not post anonymously since registering, and of course I posted "Anonymously" before registering and then did say in the middle of the discussion that I was going to register.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Uhm, Oh, Ok, thanks for educating me. I must have been living under a rock

You are being manipulative. You are simply proving you are spreading propaganda and preying on the empathy of those who feel, rather than think.

Thank you! I can't believe we have to sit here being lied to. Palestinians sacrifice their own family and neighbors in their zeal to lay the guilt of the murders at the feet of others they deeply, deeply desire to murder. Then they call out to the world to witness the suffering they are inflicting upon themselves. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Let me get this straight. You are insulted that someone is trying to humanize Palestinians? You actually believe that it is a lie that Palestinians could be humanized. And, this is because you don't believe Palestinians to be human?

Not the PP but...I assume you approve of Palestinians de-humanizing their children?

That you can be manipulated by the likes of Muslima speaks volumes

That you can be manipulated by propaganda speaks volumes about you too~

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From an outsider's perspective, I wonder if you could explain why Palestinians and their supporters often continue to use the word "martyrs" to refer to Gazans killed in this conflict. The pain and devastation is obvious and palpable, yet I believe the language suggests to many Americans that Hamas treats killed "martrys" as their currency in trade.

I wish for a world with fewer martyrs and more children growing up with their basic needs met.

Totally agree. People who eagerly and willingly engage in war can't turn around and say how horrible war is. If you are against war, don't engage in war.

A man once said "Give me liberty, or give me death!" and urged the local population to launch an armed rebellion in order to seek independence from an unwanted occupier. That man, Patrick Henry, later became the governor of Virginia and is honored as one of America's esteemed founding fathers. To think that those lost in America's war of independence might be considered nothing but "currency in trade".

I'm not that man. In this day and age, we admire people like Nelson Mandela and Gandhi.

Both Mandela and Gandhi had many, many followers killed as a result of their liberation struggles. Both were clearly willing to sacrifice their own lives as well.

Yes but they did not embrace violence as a way to make change. They rejected it.