Humanize Palestine

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Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.
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Anonymous wrote:From an outsider's perspective, I wonder if you could explain why Palestinians and their supporters often continue to use the word "martyrs" to refer to Gazans killed in this conflict. The pain and devastation is obvious and palpable, yet I believe the language suggests to many Americans that Hamas treats killed "martrys" as their currency in trade.

I wish for a world with fewer martyrs and more children growing up with their basic needs met.


Totally agree. People who eagerly and willingly engage in war can't turn around and say how horrible war is. If you are against war, don't engage in war.


A man once said "Give me liberty, or give me death!" and urged the local population to launch an armed rebellion in order to seek independence from an unwanted occupier. That man, Patrick Henry, later became the governor of Virginia and is honored as one of America's esteemed founding fathers. To think that those lost in America's war of independence might be considered nothing but "currency in trade".


I think this kind of misses the point of the question, which Muslima actually addressed.

I don't recall reading that Patrick Henry extolled the deaths of young children as part of the cost of doing battle with the British. My question was directed at trying to understand what the term "martyrs" means in the context of the conflict in Gaza. The explanation was that, while it is an honorific, it shouldn't be understood or portrayed as always meaning that a death is a cause for celebration, as opposed to respect or veneration. Those who have watched the destruction in Gaza intuitively knew this must be the case, but Muslima addressed the underlying issue, which is that sometimes words mean different things to different people.


I think Jeff was responding to the PP who wrote after you
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Anonymous wrote:"I will use this page to..."

Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.


It is not a one person's platform, you are free and welcome to comment/participate/Add. I was just announcing what the purpose behind it was as it wasn't clear from my OP. I certainly do not wish to 'Occupy" DCUMom or claim the real estate behind it as my God given right
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"I will use this page to..."

Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.


It is not a one person's platform, you are free and welcome to comment/participate/Add. I was just announcing what the purpose behind it was as it wasn't clear from my OP. I certainly do not with to 'Occupy" DCUMom or claim the real estate behind it as my God given right


Perhaps you need a blog.
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Colorful demonstrations and weekend marches are vital but alone are not powerful enough to stop wars. Wars will be stopped only when soldiers refuse to fight, when workers refuse to load weapons onto ships and aircraft, when people boycott the economic outposts of Empire that are strung across the globe. ”
? Arundhati Roy, Public Power in the Age of Empire

50 Israeli Reservists Refuse To Serve in Gaza War

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/202671/-israeli-reservists-refuse-to-serve-in-gaza-war/#ixzz38gtHHbJo



More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation’s reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
“We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service,” the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.



What's it like being Muslim? Well, it's hard to find a decent halal pizza place and occasionally there is a hashtag calling for your genocide...
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"I will use this page to..."

Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.


It is not a one person's platform, you are free and welcome to comment/participate/Add. I was just announcing what the purpose behind it was as it wasn't clear from my OP. I certainly do not with to 'Occupy" DCUMom or claim the real estate behind it as my God given right


Perhaps you need a blog.


I like it here....
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Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.
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This child knowingly or unknowingly is covering her doll's eyes. The most poignant photo I've seen - that says so much




What's it like being Muslim? Well, it's hard to find a decent halal pizza place and occasionally there is a hashtag calling for your genocide...
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Anonymous wrote:Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.


Yeah, like you have never done that. The number of "typical"'s, your favorite colloquialism, is beyond count. You only know her activity because she has chosen to use a name.
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"Typical" is not exactly a unique expression, but maybe you're new to this country.
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"I will use this page to..."

Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.


It is not a one person's platform, you are free and welcome to comment/participate/Add. I was just announcing what the purpose behind it was as it wasn't clear from my OP. I certainly do not wish to 'Occupy" DCUMom or claim the real estate behind it as my God given right
I am a strong supporter of Palestinean rights but, respectfully, you do give the appearance of 'occupying' the forum. I understand your vigilance and dedication but it does become overwhelming after awhile. I look forward to hearing a two-sided debate. It is a mistake to get information from a sole source regardless of who is 'occupying.'

Bottom line is if the moderator allows it, then his blessing is all that matters. I just hope other opposing or neutral views aren't being driven away for fear of verbal retribution. We need to hear from everybody regardless of whose side you're on.
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Anonymous wrote:From an outsider's perspective, I wonder if you could explain why Palestinians and their supporters often continue to use the word "martyrs" to refer to Gazans killed in this conflict. The pain and devastation is obvious and palpable, yet I believe the language suggests to many Americans that Hamas treats killed "martrys" as their currency in trade.

I wish for a world with fewer martyrs and more children growing up with their basic needs met.


That is just an Islamic term and really has been vilified by the West. We even call people who die in childbirth and car accidents martyrs. In Islam, we believe that certain types of deaths elevate the person to a certain level in the Hereafter, because of how painful or tragic the death is. The arabic term is "Shaheed". This has nothing to do with wanting to die, or suicide bombing, terrorism ect.

-The one who dies from a long disease is considered a martyr
-A pregnant woman who dies in pregnancy or while giving birth is considered a martyr
-Whoever is killed defending his property is a martyr.
-he who dies in defense of his own life is a martyr; he who dies in defense of his faith is a martyr; and he who dies in defense of his family is a martyr.
-The one who speaks to a tyrannical leader and commands and forbids him, then the latter kills him–he is a martyr
-Whoever is killed unjustly is considered a martyr.
ect....

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So, whenever a Muslim dies in one of these ways, you will hear other Muslims call him/her "Martyr" and that is why you hear that in Palestine. Muslims believe that the highest and most honorable death is to die as a Martyr, that doesn't mean we walk around wanting to die or we want to die on a battlefield. To the contrary, like i said earlier even dying in a car accident is considered dying as a martyr. We just believe that the reward of the martyr is superior to any other in the after life, and we consider people who are killed in Palestine of having been killed unjustly, that is why you will hear people call them "Martyrs"


So basically you glorify death. That's why Hamas uses human beings as shields.
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"I will use this page to..."

Why is this thread one person's platform? Perhaps this sets a precedent though for the rest of us for post upon post, defending our belief of XYZ.

Good to know.


It is not a one person's platform, you are free and welcome to comment/participate/Add. I was just announcing what the purpose behind it was as it wasn't clear from my OP. I certainly do not wish to 'Occupy" DCUMom or claim the real estate behind it as my God given right
I am a strong supporter of Palestinean rights but, respectfully, you do give the appearance of 'occupying' the forum. I understand your vigilance and dedication but it does become overwhelming after awhile. I look forward to hearing a two-sided debate. It is a mistake to get information from a sole source regardless of who is 'occupying.'

Bottom line is if the moderator allows it, then his blessing is all that matters. I just hope other opposing or neutral views aren't being driven away for fear of verbal retribution. We need to hear from everybody regardless of whose side you're on.


I am sorry, but I support the freedom of Palestine, I do not control who participates or debates. People who have other points of view can comment, post, open threads the same way I did, I do not control the debate or what they choose to present or not present. I speak for me, anybody else is free to speak for themselves
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From an outsider's perspective, I wonder if you could explain why Palestinians and their supporters often continue to use the word "martyrs" to refer to Gazans killed in this conflict. The pain and devastation is obvious and palpable, yet I believe the language suggests to many Americans that Hamas treats killed "martrys" as their currency in trade.

I wish for a world with fewer martyrs and more children growing up with their basic needs met.


That is just an Islamic term and really has been vilified by the West. We even call people who die in childbirth and car accidents martyrs. In Islam, we believe that certain types of deaths elevate the person to a certain level in the Hereafter, because of how painful or tragic the death is. The arabic term is "Shaheed". This has nothing to do with wanting to die, or suicide bombing, terrorism ect.

-The one who dies from a long disease is considered a martyr
-A pregnant woman who dies in pregnancy or while giving birth is considered a martyr
-Whoever is killed defending his property is a martyr.
-he who dies in defense of his own life is a martyr; he who dies in defense of his faith is a martyr; and he who dies in defense of his family is a martyr.
-The one who speaks to a tyrannical leader and commands and forbids him, then the latter kills him–he is a martyr
-Whoever is killed unjustly is considered a martyr.
ect....

E
So, whenever a Muslim dies in one of these ways, you will hear other Muslims call him/her "Martyr" and that is why you hear that in Palestine. Muslims believe that the highest and most honorable death is to die as a Martyr, that doesn't mean we walk around wanting to die or we want to die on a battlefield. To the contrary, like i said earlier even dying in a car accident is considered dying as a martyr. We just believe that the reward of the martyr is superior to any other in the after life, and we consider people who are killed in Palestine of having been killed unjustly, that is why you will hear people call them "Martyrs"


So basically you glorify death. That's why Hamas uses human beings as shields.


We do not glorify death, we mourn our dead the same way you do, we hurt and pain the same way any other human does when they lose a love one. We also believe in another Life after Death, so we do not look at death or this life as the finality of it all!
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Anonymous wrote:Of course you do. You're permitted to monopolize a thread. Typical.


Monopolize a thread? More like preach from the DcUm pulpit. And preach propaganda at that!
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