Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

No, if most parents agree with you, then get together and get your school to stop doing it. Or you choose a different school. Or at least stop whining about something you can change.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

18 year olds are legally adults. Parents are responsible for K-12.

Look at intellect of these racist and classist trolls. Parents are also responsible for paying for college as well. If your kid earned a full scholarship to Duke you wouldn’t call it charity. When a kid earns the test scores to get funding from a private school, it is not charity either.

How can you be this dumb?

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Interesting but not thought out. Maybe if public schools also got as much funding per pupil as private schools, this might make sense. But then there wouldn’t be very many private schools.

Private schools cannot be forced to take vouchers.

Yes they can. You can’t discriminate based on source of income.

No, they can’t be forced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

No, if most parents agree with you, then get together and get your school to stop doing it. Or you choose a different school. Or at least stop whining about something you can change.

We are trying to change it. Talking with the board regularly. I really hope you don’t have kids at private school. You come across as a total mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

Troll,

There's is limited socioeconomic diversity because it's absurdly expensive. Most, if not, all of these schools are over represented against population with white people. Just like everywhere else in society. Don't worry. The world is still racist. You're still good. Poor or otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

It's weird to me that full-pay parents think that they are paying for "charity." No, you're not. You're paying the price set by the school for tuition. The school then budgets the whole pool of money as it sees fit. The school has determined that offering some amount of FA is in its best interest, for whatever reason: attracting more applicants and smarter kids, or fulfilling its founder's mission, or good PR, or whatever. But it's the school's money to spend, not yours. And schools generally don't give FA out of the goodness of their hearts; they do it because it serves the school in some way.

It's just like paying for a car, and then the dealership decides to sponsor the local Little League team or endow a scholarship or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

18 year olds are legally adults. Parents are responsible for K-12.

Look at intellect of these racist and classist trolls. Parents are also responsible for paying for college as well. If your kid earned a full scholarship to Duke you wouldn’t call it charity. When a kid earns the test scores to get funding from a private school, it is not charity either.

How can you be this dumb?

You are the dummy that can’t discuss ideas without ad hominem attacks. You are not smarter than me troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

No, if most parents agree with you, then get together and get your school to stop doing it. Or you choose a different school. Or at least stop whining about something you can change.

We are trying to change it. Talking with the board regularly. I really hope you don’t have kids at private school. You come across as a total mess.

Anyone that has time to “talk to the board regularly” at a private school in dc is def a true mess. Also a big time loser.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

It's weird to me that full-pay parents think that they are paying for "charity." No, you're not. You're paying the price set by the school for tuition. The school then budgets the whole pool of money as it sees fit. The school has determined that offering some amount of FA is in its best interest, for whatever reason: attracting more applicants and smarter kids, or fulfilling its founder's mission, or good PR, or whatever. But it's the school's money to spend, not yours. And schools generally don't give FA out of the goodness of their hearts; they do it because it serves the school in some way.

It's just like paying for a car, and then the dealership decides to sponsor the local Little League team or endow a scholarship or whatever.

I'm full pay for two kids. It's painful. However, I in no way shape or form agree with the charity concept nor do I see FA students as detracting from my kids' experiences. I find that most people are decent and reasonable. Most posters, well, that's another type.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

It's weird to me that full-pay parents think that they are paying for "charity." No, you're not. You're paying the price set by the school for tuition. The school then budgets the whole pool of money as it sees fit. The school has determined that offering some amount of FA is in its best interest, for whatever reason: attracting more applicants and smarter kids, or fulfilling its founder's mission, or good PR, or whatever. But it's the school's money to spend, not yours. And schools generally don't give FA out of the goodness of their hearts; they do it because it serves the school in some way.

It's just like paying for a car, and then the dealership decides to sponsor the local Little League team or endow a scholarship or whatever.

These schools fund raise specifically for their financial aid program. They collect donations for financial aid. It is charity. It is only possible because of the generosity of large donors. These financial aid programs would not exist without it. The financial aid budgets are enormous however that money could be reallocated in a way that benefits all students rather than cherry picking a select few need-based recipients.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

18 year olds are legally adults. Parents are responsible for K-12.

Look at intellect of these racist and classist trolls. Parents are also responsible for paying for college as well. If your kid earned a full scholarship to Duke you wouldn’t call it charity. When a kid earns the test scores to get funding from a private school, it is not charity either.

How can you be this dumb?

You are the dummy that can’t discuss ideas without ad hominem attacks. You are not smarter than me troll.

Many parents feel zero responsible for paying for college. For a lot of families, it is not expected. This is why the student loan program exists for college students.

The student loan program puts the financial responsibility for college tuition and expenses on the student.

For K-12, it is the parents who are financially responsible. The parents are expected to pay. Their kids are not yet adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

No, if most parents agree with you, then get together and get your school to stop doing it. Or you choose a different school. Or at least stop whining about something you can change.

We are trying to change it. Talking with the board regularly. I really hope you don’t have kids at private school. You come across as a total mess.

Anyone that has time to “talk to the board regularly” at a private school in dc is def a true mess. Also a big time loser.

I am on the board. Please reconsider your choices in life and reflect on the poor choices that have led up to this point. Look in the mirror and dig deep.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

They are the type to say “we pay the bills around here”. No, you just pay your kid’s tuition. That’s like someone who pays tuition at Harvard saying they pay the bills around Harvard. You don’t pay the teacher’s salary, your tuition is less than the lowest paid teacher.

You and PP need a quick lesson in simple math (obviously public school education). A tax payer who makes $1M (and many private school parents do) has an average effective tax rate of about 10%. A person with an income of $150k (MC) has an effective tax rate of 8%. DC uses approximately 20% of tax revenue for public schools. So the private school parents pays 20k/yr for your kid to go to school and the MC person pays $2400. So, yeah, rich people are already subsidizing your kids. Stop whining and wanting more money from us. And YES I’m absolutely voting for vouchers because I’d rather get a discount to send my kid to private school than pay for your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

No, if most parents agree with you, then get together and get your school to stop doing it. Or you choose a different school. Or at least stop whining about something you can change.

We are trying to change it. Talking with the board regularly. I really hope you don’t have kids at private school. You come across as a total mess.

How many other parents are with you? Most, according to you, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

They are the type to say “we pay the bills around here”. No, you just pay your kid’s tuition. That’s like someone who pays tuition at Harvard saying they pay the bills around Harvard. You don’t pay the teacher’s salary, your tuition is less than the lowest paid teacher.

You and PP need a quick lesson in simple math (obviously public school education). A tax payer who makes $1M (and many private school parents do) has an average effective tax rate of about 10%. A person with an income of $150k (MC) has an effective tax rate of 8%. DC uses approximately 20% of tax revenue for public schools. So the private school parents pays 20k/yr for your kid to go to school and the MC person pays $2400. So, yeah, rich people are already subsidizing your kids. Stop whining and wanting more money from us. And YES I’m absolutely voting for vouchers because I’d rather get a discount to send my kid to private school than pay for your kids.

If you move to Texas, you will not pay state income tax, and the average IQ in dc will be higher. Is a win for everyone.