Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

No, there is no consensus on any diversity targets for private schools. You think there are merits for your arguments and you might be able to make them a reality if you gave several million dollars to a school, but without the additional resources your ideas don't work. And the quality of the education, which costs money, will always be more important than any diversity goals.

Tell me a prestigious school in dc and I will tell you what do they say about racial diversity and their metrics. You might not care, which is fine, but schools do advertise their diversity.

Newsflash rich minorities like being around other rich minorities. They still don’t want to mingle with the poor, including poor whites.

Ding ding ding!!

Also untrue. Most minorities live in neighborhoods that are below their socioeconomic level as to live closer to other minorities who earn less than them. This is fact. Look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that parents in private schools don’t want their kids to study in classrooms “polluted” by lower income kids, regardless of their talent. Thats ok, their loss.

We don’t want our kids in classrooms “polluted” with behavior problems and teachers who teach to the masses ie, undifferentiated learning. Private schools (at least at ours) has differentiated learning and weeds out behavior problems. The “problems” at our school is so-and-so didn’t raise his hand before he blurted out the answer an my quiet DD didn’t get as much air time as she wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

They are the type to say “we pay the bills around here”. No, you just pay your kid’s tuition. That’s like someone who pays tuition at Harvard saying they pay the bills around Harvard. You don’t pay the teacher’s salary, your tuition is less than the lowest paid teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think most rich people are a$$holes as previous posters have suggested. There are some who come from generational wealth who just never even think about public schools because their families have always done private.

There are others—the majority of DCUM private school parents, I suspect—who are “strivers.” They went to top colleges, work very hard, have high incomes, etc., and aren’t around all that much for their kids. To them, the logical next step in the striver culture is to put their kids in private. They do it both because they think it’s necessary for their kids to be as “successful” as them—success being defined, of course, as admission to a top college and ultimately landing a prestige job—and because they have become used to thinking that money and nice things solves all problems and somewhere inside them hope that private schooling makes up for their not being around all that much to actually parent because they’re too focused on career.

The rat race, in other words. It’s particularly crazy around here.

They are definitely strivers. Most of them didn’t even go to elite private schools themselves, which makes their takes on public schools even more mind boggling and inconsistent.

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If anything, the opposite is true in colleges. Scholarships are for low income students, now scholarships or admissions based on race are not allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: most rich people are aholes.

BREAKING: most people WANT to be rich!

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

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Most scholarships are earned by upper middle class and up families. Just like in dc private schools. You don’t know what you are talking about conservative troll.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: most rich people are aholes.

BREAKING: most people WANT to be rich!

BREAKING : Most parents in DCUM are not even rich. They just want to dream about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

18 year olds are legally adults. Parents are responsible for K-12.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

College and K-12 are not the same. Completely different. In K-12, need-based financial aid is charity.

Why is it different? Please explain.

18 year olds are legally adults. Parents are responsible for K-12.

Look at intellect of these racist and classist trolls. Parents are also responsible for paying for college as well. If your kid earned a full scholarship to Duke you wouldn’t call it charity. When a kid earns the test scores to get funding from a private school, it is not charity either.

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Look at the intellect*

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

The good private schools around here provide need-based scholarships. One of my younger children was on 90% scholarship for four years.