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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

NP, but you are displaying an astounding lack of critical thinking skills while being absurdly literal. I certainly wouldn’t trust you to make any important decisions.

Cool. Unfortunately for you, I make plenty of important decisions.

The point of this discussion is that kids who need extended time on speeded tests can be perfectly successful in a variety of workplaces because few workplaces involve completing assignments that remotely resemble speeded tests.

Do we have work that involves time pressure? Sure. But it’s rarely the kind of time pressure in an exam. Many jobs also offer a lot more flexibility to specialize based on abilities and interests. A colleague of mine has a significant stutter and thus chose to be a transactional lawyer instead of a litigator who has to do oral advocacy. Similarly, some people may struggle on timed tests because they’re slower processors (though there are plenty of other reasons beyond that for needing extended time for timed exams like inability to sustain attention or medical incidents). Those who are slow processors might also avoid oral argument, which is a thing most lawyers can find a way to do (though 90% of lawyers, by my estimation, fail miserably at oral argument anyway). And finally, it’s worth noting that employers (and courts) must also give reasonable accommodations like schools.

So yeah, people who need extended time in extremely artificial testing environments may have some areas of struggle in the workforce like all of us do. There’s a great chance those struggles aren’t prohibitive at all.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Try reading instead of bloviating.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763409000591
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05378-x

You are joking, right? Neural efficiency is directly correlated with processing speed as measured on IQ tests. Wow, you are a dunce.

Again, try reading instead of bloviating. Correlation is not causation, as most people learn in high school math.

Get a room, you too, and go bloviate each other.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

I don't know what you are trying to say, and I'm pretty sure you don't either, but here is an excerpt from an actual person's WISC score report for your perusal:

Subtest - Standard Score ("IQ") - Percentile

Fluid Reasoning - 151 - >99.9

Processing Speed - 95 - 37

Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) - 132 - 98


* Standard Scores are reported with a Mean of 100 and Standard Deviation of 15.

NP. The PP is saying that processing speed is correlated with general intelligence, which it is. It's a weaker correlation than other broad abilities, but the correlation is there. The scores there don't disprove that. A person who has a very high fluid reasoning score and an average processing speed score has a full scale IQ that's much lower, although they're obviously still very intelligent. They're just less intelligent (as measured by FSIQ) than if they had an above average processing speed.

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

So what would be your approach to testing quick thinking, if you were a professor teaching a lecture course of 100+ students?

Or are you saying this should never be tested, and it's not fair that some kids think quicker than others (or are calmer under pressure), and that we shouldn't value this in academics/society?

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

So what would be your approach to testing quick thinking, if you were a professor teaching a lecture course of 100+ students?

Or are you saying this should never be tested, and it's not fair that some kids think quicker than others (or are calmer under pressure), and that we shouldn't value this in academics/society?

Cold calling. Facilitating small group discussions evaluated by TAs for participation. The options are endless.

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

NP, but you are displaying an astounding lack of critical thinking skills while being absurdly literal. I certainly wouldn’t trust you to make any important decisions.

Cool. Unfortunately for you, I make plenty of important decisions.

The point of this discussion is that kids who need extended time on speeded tests can be perfectly successful in a variety of workplaces because few workplaces involve completing assignments that remotely resemble speeded tests.

Do we have work that involves time pressure? Sure. But it’s rarely the kind of time pressure in an exam. Many jobs also offer a lot more flexibility to specialize based on abilities and interests. A colleague of mine has a significant stutter and thus chose to be a transactional lawyer instead of a litigator who has to do oral advocacy. Similarly, some people may struggle on timed tests because they’re slower processors (though there are plenty of other reasons beyond that for needing extended time for timed exams like inability to sustain attention or medical incidents). Those who are slow processors might also avoid oral argument, which is a thing most lawyers can find a way to do (though 90% of lawyers, by my estimation, fail miserably at oral argument anyway). And finally, it’s worth noting that employers (and courts) must also give reasonable accommodations like schools.

So yeah, people who need extended time in extremely artificial testing environments may have some areas of struggle in the workforce like all of us do. There’s a great chance those struggles aren’t prohibitive at all.

There is nothing artificial about a testing environment. You are being asked to recall information you have learned and are expected to know with some accuracy in a reasonable amount of time. How is that any different than what a job requires? Are people getting testing accommodations also going to take 2x as long to complete tasks at work that require any higher level thinking?

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

NP, but you are displaying an astounding lack of critical thinking skills while being absurdly literal. I certainly wouldn’t trust you to make any important decisions.

Cool. Unfortunately for you, I make plenty of important decisions.

The point of this discussion is that kids who need extended time on speeded tests can be perfectly successful in a variety of workplaces because few workplaces involve completing assignments that remotely resemble speeded tests.

Do we have work that involves time pressure? Sure. But it’s rarely the kind of time pressure in an exam. Many jobs also offer a lot more flexibility to specialize based on abilities and interests. A colleague of mine has a significant stutter and thus chose to be a transactional lawyer instead of a litigator who has to do oral advocacy. Similarly, some people may struggle on timed tests because they’re slower processors (though there are plenty of other reasons beyond that for needing extended time for timed exams like inability to sustain attention or medical incidents). Those who are slow processors might also avoid oral argument, which is a thing most lawyers can find a way to do (though 90% of lawyers, by my estimation, fail miserably at oral argument anyway). And finally, it’s worth noting that employers (and courts) must also give reasonable accommodations like schools.

So yeah, people who need extended time in extremely artificial testing environments may have some areas of struggle in the workforce like all of us do. There’s a great chance those struggles aren’t prohibitive at all.

There is nothing artificial about a testing environment. You are being asked to recall information you have learned and are expected to know with some accuracy in a reasonable amount of time. How is that any different than what a job requires? Are people getting testing accommodations also going to take 2x as long to complete tasks at work that require any higher level thinking?

My numerous jobs in a variety of fields (with varying degrees of compensation) have NEVER required closed book recall under strict time constraints? Literally never had a boss called and said: “You have 45 minutes to answer the following questions. Consult no sources when answering this.”

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Whatevs. Both my sons took the ACT w/no extra time and almost no prep and scored 36, 35 respectively. At Ivy unhooked.

They are “normal” kids that played club and HS sports, social life, etc.

You people are nuts if you don’t realize there are tons of kids that this comes naturally.

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The debate over accommodations for things like test anxiety isn’t solely limited to “how will the kids do when they join the workforce?”. Real adult life in general is tough and requires us to work around or work through our anxieties and down days. Kids, errands, extended family, taking care of a house, social obligations- normal life has its pressures for everyone. When affluent parents try to get accommodations for a kid who doesn’t have a true disability, they send a crippling message to their kid that their kid isn’t up to the task and cannot do it in their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

So what would be your approach to testing quick thinking, if you were a professor teaching a lecture course of 100+ students?

Or are you saying this should never be tested, and it's not fair that some kids think quicker than others (or are calmer under pressure), and that we shouldn't value this in academics/society?

Cold calling. Facilitating small group discussions evaluated by TAs for participation. The options are endless.

lol. They will get accommodations to be exempt from cold calling. Small group discussions are a meaningless metric unless they are basically oral quizzes.

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

Yeah, I’ve never worked for cut throat organizations and I still have received requests from higher ups and clients to do things ASAP, which sometimes can mean within an hour.

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Anonymous wrote:I will no longer subscribe to the Atlantic or even add traffic to their site, but I can imagine what the rest of the article is like. You know what the solution is to this 'problem'? Give everyone extra time - it is ridiculous, particularly at the college level, to think one person is smarter or better educated or better prepared because it takes them less time to solve a problem or write an essay than the next person.

I would never want to hire anyone who has been given extra time to do assignments all their lives. That's just not the way the world works. But if you want your kid unprepared for real life, go for it.

And that's exactly why it's not disclosed, and you, as an employer, will never know who did or did not get extended time.

So are you saying they can actually manage deadlines suddenly when they start working? Why weren't they doing that before if they can actually do it?

It’s almost like 45 minute, timed, closed book exams don’t remotely reflect the vast majority of working environments.

They actually do because you need to think on your feet and may be called on at any time to speak in a meeting.

How many meeting-esque oral exams have you had in your academic career? I have multiple degrees and can honestly say zero.

Have you never been a decision maker? Many meetings will involve discussing disparate/novel ideas in real-time, offering counterpoints in real time, and making decisions in real time. All within the meeting, not "Hey, let's table this and let Jane mull it over for the next 48 hours."

There's also crisis situations that arise is all work environments, courtroom lawyers who have to make make objections in the moment, ER doctors, the White House press secretary thinking of some excuse for Trump's behavior on the fly. I can think of a hundred more career situations where quick thinking is more vital to being effective than perfect research/writing over a lengthy time period.

I have plenty of meetings with decision makers. Those meetings are nothing remotely akin to a timed 45 minute test. If your desire is to test “thinking on your feet,” a multiple choice or written essay exam is a piss poor way of doing it.

NP, but you are displaying an astounding lack of critical thinking skills while being absurdly literal. I certainly wouldn’t trust you to make any important decisions.

Cool. Unfortunately for you, I make plenty of important decisions.

The point of this discussion is that kids who need extended time on speeded tests can be perfectly successful in a variety of workplaces because few workplaces involve completing assignments that remotely resemble speeded tests.

Do we have work that involves time pressure? Sure. But it’s rarely the kind of time pressure in an exam. Many jobs also offer a lot more flexibility to specialize based on abilities and interests. A colleague of mine has a significant stutter and thus chose to be a transactional lawyer instead of a litigator who has to do oral advocacy. Similarly, some people may struggle on timed tests because they’re slower processors (though there are plenty of other reasons beyond that for needing extended time for timed exams like inability to sustain attention or medical incidents). Those who are slow processors might also avoid oral argument, which is a thing most lawyers can find a way to do (though 90% of lawyers, by my estimation, fail miserably at oral argument anyway). And finally, it’s worth noting that employers (and courts) must also give reasonable accommodations like schools.

So yeah, people who need extended time in extremely artificial testing environments may have some areas of struggle in the workforce like all of us do. There’s a great chance those struggles aren’t prohibitive at all.

There is nothing artificial about a testing environment. You are being asked to recall information you have learned and are expected to know with some accuracy in a reasonable amount of time. How is that any different than what a job requires? Are people getting testing accommodations also going to take 2x as long to complete tasks at work that require any higher level thinking?

My numerous jobs in a variety of fields (with varying degrees of compensation) have NEVER required closed book recall under strict time constraints? Literally never had a boss called and said: “You have 45 minutes to answer the following questions. Consult no sources when answering this.”

You must not be at the top of a field or in a niche. I have many moments in the week when the speed of processing information is important.

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Teachers, doctors, lawyers, engineers, artists, etc. are all exposed to stressful situations at work. People can gravitate towards a field that might be better at accommodating their challenges/limitations but the stress is still going to be there, as will the performance expectations .

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

I don't know what you are trying to say, and I'm pretty sure you don't either, but here is an excerpt from an actual person's WISC score report for your perusal:

Subtest - Standard Score ("IQ") - Percentile

Fluid Reasoning - 151 - >99.9

Processing Speed - 95 - 37

Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) - 132 - 98


* Standard Scores are reported with a Mean of 100 and Standard Deviation of 15.

NP. The PP is saying that processing speed is correlated with general intelligence, which it is. [b]It's a weaker correlation than other broad abilities, but the correlation is there. The scores there don't disprove that. A person who has a very high fluid reasoning score and an average processing speed score has a full scale IQ that's much lower, although they're obviously still very intelligent. They're just less intelligent (as measured by FSIQ) than if they had an above average processing speed.

This is false. Google it. Many high I Q people have slow processing speeds

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't have a grasp on the material, then no amount of extra time is going to change that . . . but be angry about extra time if it makes you feel better.

As a teacher, I see this a lot. A entitled parent freaks out over a disappointing grade and demands a meeting to verify the kid got all of their accommodations. They genuinely believe that their child will have straight As because of extra time, teacher notes, and typing. Ma’am, your child still got the answers wrong.