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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?
If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?
There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.
Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.
Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.
College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.
The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch
Been repeated here at nauseum
Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever
The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year
It does not matter which club team they are on
You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.
Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school
The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating
What about this fact is lost on you?
What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.
If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway
BY or SY or GY
Correct!
But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.
With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.
With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.
Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever
That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time
College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.
Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak
Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.
Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years
A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today
The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.
This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe
Might want to check your own IQ
In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.
In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.
The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.
What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?
If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?
What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?
Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.
https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition
Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools
So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.
Come on drop the facade and face reality.
Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).
Please shut up. I already have.
https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition
Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.
But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....
They stated the date window. Fact
They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact
Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.
What are August and September players misaligned with?
There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.
There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.
It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.
Also, not inappropriate at all.
Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).
Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.
If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.
You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?
We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works
Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.
This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.
Truly bizarre beliefs.
If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.
In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates
It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.
how are you so dense?
Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.
Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.
General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.
Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?
This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?
You're admitting you are not knowledgeable on college recruiting for soccer but you don't need the knowledge to make comments masquerading as facts.
Admirable
What you should do is prove everyone wrong play your kid on the JV team and land that full ride. It will totally happen.
When did where you play in HS determine college soccer destiny?
When last you seen a college scout at a HS game in the DMV?
All college coaches care about is...
1. Wht year players graduate?
2. Are they good enough to roster on my team?
3. Do they have the grades / test scores to get in?
4. Can the parents pay?
#2 is a huge question mark when Aug/Sept players are playing on a grade down team. I wouldn't take a player like this. Especially when theres 50+ players that are playing with their grade to choose from and portal players.
Honestly how can you expect a player playing against Juniors in HS to contribute on a team with players 5-6 years older that have been playing at the college level for multiple seasons.
#2 never has grade factor in dummy. They get an email from the kid, they see what team they are on (level, video, etc), they watch them and either like them or not. That's it. You could argue that the coach is not going go watch a player because they somehow believe they are 'playing down'. For top level girls they are recruiting at 9th and 10th grade, they really don't give a shit.
Do you think, currently, college coaches look at a players birthday and goes, "Hmmm, Jane was born January 10, she must be 'playing down' with younger players in the grade below her! I definitely won't go watch her!"? Of course not. Just stop.
The player just has to pass the eyeball test and be playing at a high enough club level. That it. For everyone else, it is college IDs and this entire discussion is moot.
Start a recruiting thread if you want some education on the topic.
Can we please turn back to discussing what clubs are planning? And, ideally, what if any convos fall birthdays are having with current or potential teams?
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