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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

So, your kid can't hang with a kid the same age? That says a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

This has been my view all along! The current system benefits the OCT-DEC 'Trapped Players' more now, because they are younger playing with older kids and essentially will be eligible for two rounds of showcases. Verses the new SY age brackets, that still 'Trap the AUG&SEP Players' But those players will have it worse and miss their showcase year as they will be playing 1grade year bellow. Sure, they can gust play with the older team, but they will be at a big disadvantage. Then, when your team is in the prime recruiting year, you are already graduating a year early.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

He has proven many times he doesn't have an understanding of the actual college recruiting process

He thinks college coaches are obsessed with labels vs needs, performance, potential and graduation year.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

This has been my view all along! The current system benefits the OCT-DEC 'Trapped Players' more now, because they are younger playing with older kids and essentially will be eligible for two rounds of showcases. Verses the new SY age brackets, that still 'Trap the AUG&SEP Players' But those players will have it worse and miss their showcase year as they will be playing 1grade year bellow. Sure, they can gust play with the older team, but they will be at a big disadvantage. Then, when your team is in the prime recruiting year, you are already graduating a year early.

Trapped players in BY are only desired by top colleges if they are good enough and meets the needs of their roster vacancies

Not just because they are playing against older kids

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

This has been my view all along! The current system benefits the OCT-DEC 'Trapped Players' more now, because they are younger playing with older kids and essentially will be eligible for two rounds of showcases. Verses the new SY age brackets, that still 'Trap the AUG&SEP Players' But those players will have it worse and miss their showcase year as they will be playing 1grade year bellow. Sure, they can gust play with the older team, but they will be at a big disadvantage. Then, when your team is in the prime recruiting year, you are already graduating a year early.

Except there are too few Oct-Dec players at the highest levels to take advantage. It's really not a cheat code unless those players are really good anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

This has been my view all along! The current system benefits the OCT-DEC 'Trapped Players' more now, because they are younger playing with older kids and essentially will be eligible for two rounds of showcases. Verses the new SY age brackets, that still 'Trap the AUG&SEP Players' But those players will have it worse and miss their showcase year as they will be playing 1grade year bellow. Sure, they can gust play with the older team, but they will be at a big disadvantage. Then, when your team is in the prime recruiting year, you are already graduating a year early.

This is correct.

One more reason to play witb your grade not down a grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

Did Arlington get back to you yet about Sep-Aug kids? That info would be relevant to this thread, instead of the endless cycle of dumb arguing now.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

Did Arlington get back to you yet about Sep-Aug kids? That info would be relevant to this thread, instead of the endless cycle of dumb arguing now.

Do your own dirty work. I wouldn't say either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

Did Arlington get back to you yet about Sep-Aug kids? That info would be relevant to this thread, instead of the endless cycle of dumb arguing now.

Do your own dirty work. I wouldn't say either way.

They are too busy planning for their MLSN/GA transition

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

You're admitting you are not knowledgeable on college recruiting for soccer but you don't need the knowledge to make comments masquerading as facts.

Admirable

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

Did Arlington get back to you yet about Sep-Aug kids? That info would be relevant to this thread, instead of the endless cycle of dumb arguing now.

Do your own dirty work. I wouldn't say either way.

They are too busy planning for their MLSN/GA transition

hahaha 😆 true

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Why are people posting like every kid playing travel soccer has an automatic transition path to college soccer?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people posting like every kid playing travel soccer has an automatic transition path to college soccer?

Its because certain teams are playing so players can transition to college soccer. Many arent which is where there's a divide in expectations from both players and parents. Then, just for fun. Throw in the yougers parents that have no clue but like to comment with authority.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?

This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?

You're admitting you are not knowledgeable on college recruiting for soccer but you don't need the knowledge to make comments masquerading as facts.

Admirable

What you should do is prove everyone wrong play your kid on the JV team and land that full ride. It will totally happen.