Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Every MLSN P2P club had to form a MSLN2 team - not the pro academies - and then they also added in NAL and other NPL teams to round out the regions. So there's some truth to the statement but it's not the whole story (are you a FOX reporter?).

If NAL isn't now called MLSN2, where are all the NAL teams?

https://www.nationalacademyleague.com/nal-boys-2025-2026.html

Oh, Bethesda has MLS Next, MLSN2 and NAL teams?

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

So put another way... (without the spin)

Yes, MLSN1 and MLSN2 teams play each other. (ECNL + ECRL teams do not)

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

So put another way... (without the spin)

Yes, MLSN1 and MLSN2 teams play each other. (ECNL + ECRL teams do not)

NL/RL will play in tournaments/friendlies/intra-squad, but never in season

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Every MLSN P2P club had to form a MSLN2 team - not the pro academies - and then they also added in NAL and other NPL teams to round out the regions. So there's some truth to the statement but it's not the whole story (are you a FOX reporter?).

If NAL isn't now called MLSN2, where are all the NAL teams?

https://www.nationalacademyleague.com/nal-boys-2025-2026.html

Oh, Bethesda has MLS Next, MLSN2 and NAL teams?

Wouldn't surprise me if a large club had teams at those levels. Both MLSN/GA and ECNL are building out their own eco-system as USYS fractures more. Some rumors say ECNL is going to take over/form a partnership with the USYS national leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

So put another way... (without the spin)

Yes, MLSN1 and MLSN2 teams play each other. (ECNL + ECRL teams do not)

If MLSN1 and MLSN2 play in the regular season like you are saying, will be interesting if they continue next year with their age group dates misaligned.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Every MLSN P2P club had to form a MSLN2 team - not the pro academies - and then they also added in NAL and other NPL teams to round out the regions. So there's some truth to the statement but it's not the whole story (are you a FOX reporter?).

You must have your own version of the announcement release

NAL was rebranded MLSN2 but still administered by NAL

Incorrect, some clubs with NAL were promoted to MLSN2, and NAL operates both the existing NAL and MLSN2 but they are separate.

Love the roleplay, keep repeating the lie, muddy the waters. Next say something unhinged but walk it back.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

So put another way... (without the spin)

Yes, MLSN1 and MLSN2 teams play each other. (ECNL + ECRL teams do not)

If MLSN1 and MLSN2 play in the regular season like you are saying, will be interesting if they continue next year with their age group dates misaligned.

I bet they will continue to play each other. With MLSN2 changing to SY and allowing HS soccer it's pretty much the same thing as everyone else. An easy way to create additional value is to have MLSN1 and MLSN2 play each other and have dual roster situations.

[Anonymous]

Sure why not. The MLSN AD teams would have a huge RAE advantage. Would make for some fun games!

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Well, MLS1 academies only play MLSN P2P once a year and clubs with MLSN1 and MLSN2 have teams misaligned making player movement from week to week difficult and MLSN2 and MLSN1 couldn't evenly play each other in tournaments. There are pretty walled.

So put another way... (without the spin)

Yes, MLSN1 and MLSN2 teams play each other. (ECNL + ECRL teams do not)

If MLSN1 and MLSN2 play in the regular season like you are saying, will be interesting if they continue next year with their age group dates misaligned.

MLS Next teams DO NOT play against MLSN2 teams in regular season schedule

Two different leagues

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

Drama for no reason

MLSN's P2P MLSN1 and MLSN2 clearly have misaligned age dates with regard to each other. Time to move on.

Are MLS Next and MLSN2 teams playing against each other during the regular season?

You bring up a good point. That stinks for MLSN2 players now that age misalignment will build a walled garden around P2P MLSN1 and inhibit play against each other. Kind of like MLSN build a wall around MLSN academies to limit their play against MLSN P2P Homegrown.

You know MLSN2 is NAL with a different name? They didn't play against each other before.

This so-called wall is a figment of your overblown paranoia and insecurities

Every MLSN P2P club had to form a MSLN2 team - not the pro academies - and then they also added in NAL and other NPL teams to round out the regions. So there's some truth to the statement but it's not the whole story (are you a FOX reporter?).

You must have your own version of the announcement release

NAL was rebranded MLSN2 but still administered by NAL

Incorrect, some clubs with NAL were promoted to MLSN2, and NAL operates both the existing NAL and MLSN2 but they are separate.

Love the roleplay, keep repeating the lie, muddy the waters. Next say something unhinged but walk it back.

How can 2nd teams be promoted to 2nd team status?

[Anonymous]

Funny where this thread has gone ... It's titled: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny where this thread has gone ... It's titled: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

OP already got the answer

Tell your kids the cutoff has moved from Jan 1 to Aug 1 so they are playing U-Whatever

The truth is kinda plain and simple

[Anonymous]

G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.

Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.

Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.

You're the same August Guy just making up a story of a conversation that never happened 🤣🤣