Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:The top and biggest college recruiting tournament in the country is happening right now. MLS Next Fest

College recruiters are showing up to games with individual players information already in hand knowing who they're coming to watch and when they graduate

Correct and the players playing down will be scrutinized. For MLSN its the reason you dont see biobanding as often past 16 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:The top and biggest college recruiting tournament in the country is happening right now. MLS Next Fest

College recruiters are showing up to games with individual players information already in hand knowing who they're coming to watch and when they graduate

Correct and the players playing down will be scrutinized. For MLSN its the reason you dont see biobanding as often past 16 years old.

Ain't nobody playing down in age.
Players only play their age or play up.

You think this is a Sunday morning Rec pickup

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Funny you hit the trigger for the August nut that wants clubs soccer by grade, the trigger is showcases. Let the timer begin.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Funny you hit the trigger for the August nut that wants clubs soccer by grade, the trigger is showcases. Let the timer begin.

Yep, sorry. It's the grand conspiracy as to why we're "pushing" for kids to play by age as some sort of weird backdoor way into GY (as if forcing kids to play by grade isn't?). The reality -- at least for me -- is I think it should be case-by-case -- which is what all the signals the clubs have been giving.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Funny you hit the trigger for the August nut that wants clubs soccer by grade, the trigger is showcases. Let the timer begin.

Yep, sorry. It's the grand conspiracy as to why we're "pushing" for kids to play by age as some sort of weird backdoor way into GY (as if forcing kids to play by grade isn't?). The reality -- at least for me -- is I think it should be case-by-case -- which is what all the signals the clubs have been giving.

No worries, he has many triggers. His current rabbithole/trigger is RAE really. He actually thinks that if you can go to a B team to an A team after puberty, then RAE never existed. Of course ignoring that the teams after puberty exhibit an "unexplained" overrepresentation of players that were older in their age groups when they were younger.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

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Anonymous wrote:Do people realize that before BY it was SY from Aug 1 - July 31? Do you think Aug kids who didn't play on grade never played in college back then? No. The answer is no.

They played up with their grade if players wanted to play in college.

No they didn’t. But keep telling yourself that.

But they did. The drive by many patents to play down is new. Probably driven by private school parents that are looking for ways to hold back their kids.

N=2 ...We have someone saying Aug Kids who played in college played on age last time SY AND we have someone saying Aug kids who played in college played on grade last time in SY. Bet both was true to a certain extent/situations. Our problem in this world today is too often people want their world view to be everyone else's -- at least online.

There's many different colleges. The more competitive colleges (typically D1 but not always) have 100s of players to choose from for every position. They will not waste their time on a player with unknown potential because they're playing down a grade. Colleges further down the competitive scale might take a risk on a player thats playing down but this is because they cant do any better. Also expensive private schools will take whoever can pay so often it doesnt even matter. But over all playing down is a negative for a grade up player. By doing it you've most likely screwed yourself out of playing for the best teams.

Hey someone gets it!

Let's take this logic to the youth soccer level. The top youth clubs in the nation are the feeders for the top college teams in the nation. To provide the best possible candidates for being recruited by the top teams in college top youth clubs wont allow players playing down a grade in the recruitment phase of youth soccer. Just like the top colleges top youth clubs have 100s of players to choose from. They won't waste their time developing a trojan horse that will blow up at the college level ultimately making them look bad.

So, you're saying that a player on age that's misaligned won't be good because they're playing with nationally-ranked, college-bound players that are slightly younger? That's the disconnect here. Obviously, if you are misaligned and can play up, you want that, but if not, you'll still want the A team, regardless if it's one of these top clubs. AND for the clubs, it's more nuanced that this, tho. The top clubs keep their spot by being able to recruit and they do that by winning. If they can pull in a misaligned player, especially at the younger age groups, they will. They are ruthless. Also, parents/kids will see it as a way in, with the hope that they eventually play up to play on grade OR during certain showcases.

Explain misaligned

Askew

PP means misaligned how in this soccer context

Ex. The dates for P2P MLSN1.5 and MLSN2.5 have 12 month age eligibility dates that are misaligned.

Misaligned against what?

How does that impact an individual kid's skills development?

If you're playing MLSN2 SY you play by your cutoff grouping
If you're playing MLS Next you play by your cutoff grouping

If you change or move between the two, you play your cutoff grouping

Whether good player, bad player or in-between

When things do not line up, they are misaligned.

All MLSN2 players have the same cutoff
They aren't misaligned

You thought someone wrote MLSN2 players are misaligned with each other?

Someone wrote MLS Next and MLSN2 are misaligned because one is BY and the other SY

But since they're two separate different leagues, comparing the cutoffs makes no sense
In addition, the cutoffs doesn't stop a player from going from one to the other. He just goes where he belongs.

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