Horrifying organ donation article

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

Here we have a relentless troll.

What an optimistic take. But I doubt she's a troll. She seems crazy enough to believe the things she's writing.

You are so much more patient than I am. I really cannot stand this nut job.

I go rapidly back and forth between being angry and being sad for her. She's clearly not well- certainly not psychologically and probably not physically. But that isn't an excuse for the misinformation she's spreading.

I agree with you. Hat tip.

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

Has she cured the disease that made them sick?

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

And someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about per my wife who is an actual transplant surgeon and has saved countless lives.

Has she cured the disease that made them sick?

You've got serious problems. I hope you're getting help, but it doesn't seem to be working.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

This is absolute fabricated Bulls*it. no one with metastatic cance is even a candidte for donation. You are such a total liar.

Corneas

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

This is absolute fabricated Bulls*it. no one with metastatic cance is even a candidte for donation. You are such a total liar.

Corneas

And skin.

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Why cure disease when trafficking organs is so profitable? Half dead people donate their body parts for free to sickened people willing to pay anything, and all the middle men are rolling in profits.

Who cares when so many people are forced into bankruptcy because of this racket?

Need we wonder why Americans spend the most and in return, get the least?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.

That's certainly your right but why? Do you think you'll need them there? Why wouldn't you save a life if you could at not cost to yourself?

I’m not the PP but what this article shows is that there is clearly a cost to the donating individuals—their lives.

Your organs have no $$$$$$$$$ value when you’re dead.

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The issue is the money. How are the organ donation NGOs getting so wealthy? Who is paying them? The insurance companies? The hospitals? Where is that money coming from?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the money. How are the organ donation NGOs getting so wealthy? Who is paying them? The insurance companies? The hospitals? Where is that money coming from?

Taxpayers. Hospitals never give anything, these corporations only take, take, take. That’s why this racket is such a cash cow!

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Doctor here. I am involved in these cases as an anesthesiologist. Though I have never seen anything like what is described in the article, I am skeptical about our current system.
I am not an organ donor. I would not allow anyone to take my kids’ organs, god forbid. I have always found transplant teams to be spooky fake nice to families. I also have concerns about how minorities and indigent people are treated.

I believe it was Trump who pushed for more aggressive organ harvests and implantation.
It’s a messy affair in China. Plus other countries that practice organ theft….

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Trump had been one of us, duped into the humanitarian utopia of this scam. Thanks to RFK for alerting us to what’s actually happening behind closed doors. People who know are coming forward. It must be investigated.

People want to know how to get healthy again.
Why is there such an epidemic of kidney disease? Dialysis centers are all over poor areas. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump had been one of us, duped into the humanitarian utopia of this scam. Thanks to RFK for alerting us to what’s actually happening behind closed doors. People who know are coming forward. It must be investigated.

People want to know how to get healthy again.
Why is there such an epidemic of kidney disease? Dialysis centers are all over poor areas. Why is that?

Let me introduce you to Mr. Diabetes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump had been one of us, duped into the humanitarian utopia of this scam. Thanks to RFK for alerting us to what’s actually happening behind closed doors. People who know are coming forward. It must be investigated.

People want to know how to get healthy again.
Why is there such an epidemic of kidney disease? Dialysis centers are all over poor areas. Why is that?

Diabetes, mostly. But hardcore infections can trigger kidney failure. And sadly, so can inherited diseases. In my family, one de novo genetic malformation has resulted 20+ confirmed cases of kidney disease that will end in death or dialysis (or both), and the youngest generation is still too young to test. I’d hope there would be a transplant available to me but odds are looking like I’d be lucky to get a pig kidney. No one I’m related to can donate or shares my blood type.

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I removed myself from organ donation after seeing a piece on this story.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna23768436
https://youtu.be/ZXFM9INV-bQ?feature=shared

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

Did you know that up until recently women who had surgeries not in any way related to their genitals/vaginal area, were used to train interns in how to give a vaginal/rectal exam without the woman's knowledge or consent? Women having surgeries under general anesthesia had medical trainees sticking their fingers/hands up unsuspecting patients vaginas and rectums. This was being done across this country without us knowing and without our consent.

Why is it so hard to believe that doctors/hospital staff/ donation companies aren't pressuring people into jumping the gun in these cases?