Horrifying organ donation article

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

This is straight up entitled selfish bs. You have no problem with living people having their organs harvested just because you or yours need them.

You either didn't read or didn't understand the article.

These weren't cases of brain death. These were cases where life support was being removed. No one was being "murdered," nor were "living people having their organs harvested." These individuals, or their families, decided to halt life support. Only upon their natural circulatory death would the donation proceed.

Bump.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread now reads like a big anti-vax conspiracy and I really hope none of you ever need a transplant. Feel free to get off every registry, but also use the same attitude when a life changing transplant is available and pass it along to the next patient.

Stuff it fool. We're bothered by the lack of oversight and how this can easily be mishandled in the race to get fresh organs. You have no problem with that because you don't care that a person who could recover in your mind is less than you and yours.

Nope, wrong again but there's no point in arguing. Just please, never get on a transplant list.

The level of misinformed posts here is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread now reads like a big anti-vax conspiracy and I really hope none of you ever need a transplant. Feel free to get off every registry, but also use the same attitude when a life changing transplant is available and pass it along to the next patient.

Stuff it fool. We're bothered by the lack of oversight and how this can easily be mishandled in the race to get fresh organs. You have no problem with that because you don't care that a person who could recover in your mind is less than you and yours.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

Did you know that up until recently women who had surgeries not in any way related to their genitals/vaginal area, were used to train interns in how to give a vaginal/rectal exam without the woman's knowledge or consent? Women having surgeries under general anesthesia had medical trainees sticking their fingers/hands up unsuspecting patients vaginas and rectums. This was being done across this country without us knowing and without our consent.

Why is it so hard to believe that doctors/hospital staff/ donation companies aren't pressuring people into jumping the gun in these cases?

I attended medical school 20 years ago and even then, this practice had been abandoned for a long time.

However, as a woman, I do not care if while I am under anesthesia for an ob/gyn surgery, someone who is learning how to perform an internal exam in order to provide better medical care learns to do it on my body. They are already cutting me open. Why would I care if they put their gloved hand inside a different body cavity for educational purposes.

However I can tell you this ended a long time ago.

I assume you speak for all women? When were you appointed? The issue is consent. A long time ago, meaning 2012, that long time ago?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelvic-exams-informed-consent/

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

Did you know that up until recently women who had surgeries not in any way related to their genitals/vaginal area, were used to train interns in how to give a vaginal/rectal exam without the woman's knowledge or consent? Women having surgeries under general anesthesia had medical trainees sticking their fingers/hands up unsuspecting patients vaginas and rectums. This was being done across this country without us knowing and without our consent.

Why is it so hard to believe that doctors/hospital staff/ donation companies aren't pressuring people into jumping the gun in these cases?

I attended medical school 20 years ago and even then, this practice had been abandoned for a long time.

However, as a woman, I do not care if while I am under anesthesia for an ob/gyn surgery, someone who is learning how to perform an internal exam in order to provide better medical care learns to do it on my body. They are already cutting me open. Why would I care if they put their gloved hand inside a different body cavity for educational purposes.

However I can tell you this ended a long time ago.

No, you can't tell people this ended a long time ago.

You are f'ing insane and hate women if you think this was acceptable. Only a perverted misogynist would assume this was ok. Hospital administrators and doctors should be in jail. As to how recently this was being done, you are off base. I bet you are a male doctor who did this and know you'd be sued if any of your patients realized you participated in it.

Also it was being done far more recently so don't try to report your more than likely fake experience as fact.

Freak.

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https://apnews.com/article/c309d388b10b4fe582753e3b1f768f94

Sexual assault still be done on anesthetized women in 2019.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

Did you know that up until recently women who had surgeries not in any way related to their genitals/vaginal area, were used to train interns in how to give a vaginal/rectal exam without the woman's knowledge or consent? Women having surgeries under general anesthesia had medical trainees sticking their fingers/hands up unsuspecting patients vaginas and rectums. This was being done across this country without us knowing and without our consent.

Why is it so hard to believe that doctors/hospital staff/ donation companies aren't pressuring people into jumping the gun in these cases?

I attended medical school 20 years ago and even then, this practice had been abandoned for a long time.

However, as a woman, I do not care if while I am under anesthesia for an ob/gyn surgery, someone who is learning how to perform an internal exam in order to provide better medical care learns to do it on my body. They are already cutting me open. Why would I care if they put their gloved hand inside a different body cavity for educational purposes.

However I can tell you this ended a long time ago.

I assume you speak for all women? When were you appointed? The issue is consent. A long time ago, meaning 2012, that long time ago?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelvic-exams-informed-consent/

This sex assault is STILL done in Maryland and DC, but in Virginia it’s illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.

How f’ing dare you. The story opens with a cognitively impaired woman who was declared dead and had her heart beating when the surgeon opened her up. I hate the Times at times for trending right, but I hate you more.

We don’t really know what happened. It may have been outright negligence by failing to check for a heart beat. Or perhaps the heart start right before they began, suggesting they may have falsified the waiting time. If they did falsify the time, that wouldn’t be acceptable either.

Regardless, though, this absolutely doesn't mean she was going to survive. And in the end, she didn't. She wasn't going to survive off life support- it just took longer to die than typical. In other situations not involving transplants, similar spontaneous heart restarts would happen without anyone observing them.

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Anonymous wrote:13:11 — You are a relentless propaganda machine. Give it a rest.

This thread is not about your “emotional discomfort”. It’s about the greed to increase the use of organs of people who aren’t dead.

Yes, those greedy attempts to save tens of thousands of lives each year in the US alone. Of which we could save more if not for people like you spreading misinformation.

"In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs." So you have no problem with this? You would murder someone so you have organs? Yep, we're afraid of people like you. You think the ends justify the means.

You're ignoring the context, leading you to gross mischaracterizations.

That man was not brain dead, nor did they ever think he was. Instead, he and the family had previously decided to take him off life support. Organ donation would have occurred after his death.

I can't drive a car or make financial decisions after general sedation, but deciding to donate my organs is fine.

Make it make sense.

This is why your family, or whoever you've designated as your health care agent, makes the decisions in these circumstances. But since this person was potentially semi-conscious, they asked him, too- both in advance when the initial decision was made, and right before removing life support. The family believes he changed his mind.

Unless you're suggesting that we should never remove people from life support, there isn't really any other way this could work.

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Anonymous wrote:13:11 — You are a relentless propaganda machine. Give it a rest.

This thread is not about your “emotional discomfort”. It’s about the greed to increase the use of organs of people who aren’t dead.

Yes, those greedy attempts to save tens of thousands of lives each year in the US alone. Of which we could save more if not for people like you spreading misinformation.

"In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs." So you have no problem with this? You would murder someone so you have organs? Yep, we're afraid of people like you. You think the ends justify the means.

You're ignoring the context, leading you to gross mischaracterizations.

That man was not brain dead, nor did they ever think he was. Instead, he and the family had previously decided to take him off life support. Organ donation would have occurred after his death.

I can't drive a car or make financial decisions after general sedation, but deciding to donate my organs is fine.

Make it make sense.

This is why your family, or whoever you've designated as your health care agent, makes the decisions in these circumstances. But since this person was potentially semi-conscious, they asked him, too- both in advance when the initial decision was made, and right before removing life support. The family believes he changed his mind.

Unless you're suggesting that we should never remove people from life support, there isn't really any other way this could work.

I am suggesting that you should never ask anyone coming out of sedation about end of life decisions. You are either competent or you aren't competent. There's no, well this question is OK because we say it is.

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Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.

How f’ing dare you. The story opens with a cognitively impaired woman who was declared dead and had her heart beating when the surgeon opened her up. I hate the Times at times for trending right, but I hate you more.

We don’t really know what happened. It may have been outright negligence by failing to check for a heart beat. Or perhaps the heart start right before they began, suggesting they may have falsified the waiting time. If they did falsify the time, that wouldn’t be acceptable either.

Regardless, though, this absolutely doesn't mean she was going to survive. And in the end, she didn't. She wasn't going to survive off life support- it just took longer to die than typical. In other situations not involving transplants, similar spontaneous heart restarts would happen without anyone observing them.

You are medical mafia scum.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread now reads like a big anti-vax conspiracy and I really hope none of you ever need a transplant. Feel free to get off every registry, but also use the same attitude when a life changing transplant is available and pass it along to the next patient.

Stuff it fool. We're bothered by the lack of oversight and how this can easily be mishandled in the race to get fresh organs. You have no problem with that because you don't care that a person who could recover in your mind is less than you and yours.

Nope, wrong again but there's no point in arguing. Just please, never get on a transplant list.

The level of misinformed posts here is astounding.

It’s mostly one person sockpuppeting.

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Anonymous wrote:13:11 — You are a relentless propaganda machine. Give it a rest.

This thread is not about your “emotional discomfort”. It’s about the greed to increase the use of organs of people who aren’t dead.

Yes, those greedy attempts to save tens of thousands of lives each year in the US alone. Of which we could save more if not for people like you spreading misinformation.

"In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs." So you have no problem with this? You would murder someone so you have organs? Yep, we're afraid of people like you. You think the ends justify the means.

You're ignoring the context, leading you to gross mischaracterizations.

That man was not brain dead, nor did they ever think he was. Instead, he and the family had previously decided to take him off life support. Organ donation would have occurred after his death.

I can't drive a car or make financial decisions after general sedation, but deciding to donate my organs is fine.

Make it make sense.

This is why your family, or whoever you've designated as your health care agent, makes the decisions in these circumstances. But since this person was potentially semi-conscious, they asked him, too- both in advance when the initial decision was made, and right before removing life support. The family believes he changed his mind.

Unless you're suggesting that we should never remove people from life support, there isn't really any other way this could work.

I am suggesting that you should never ask anyone coming out of sedation about end of life decisions. You are either competent or you aren't competent. There's no, well this question is OK because we say it is.

So they shouldn't have asked him again? Perhaps not, but what if he had been able to speak? Should they have ignored statements volunteered in the moment?

I don't think you're thinking that one through.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

Did you know that up until recently women who had surgeries not in any way related to their genitals/vaginal area, were used to train interns in how to give a vaginal/rectal exam without the woman's knowledge or consent? Women having surgeries under general anesthesia had medical trainees sticking their fingers/hands up unsuspecting patients vaginas and rectums. This was being done across this country without us knowing and without our consent.

Why is it so hard to believe that doctors/hospital staff/ donation companies aren't pressuring people into jumping the gun in these cases?

I attended medical school 20 years ago and even then, this practice had been abandoned for a long time.

However, as a woman, I do not care if while I am under anesthesia for an ob/gyn surgery, someone who is learning how to perform an internal exam in order to provide better medical care learns to do it on my body. They are already cutting me open. Why would I care if they put their gloved hand inside a different body cavity for educational purposes.

However I can tell you this ended a long time ago.

I assume you speak for all women? When were you appointed? The issue is consent. A long time ago, meaning 2012, that long time ago?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelvic-exams-informed-consent/

I speak for myself. Never said I speak for all women. Apparently though, you think you do. Your opinion is just that: your opinion. Mine is different. I don’t care if they do this for teaching purposes.

Also, reading comprehension, legal is not the same thing as standard practice, and I’m telling you this is no longer standard practice and has not been for at least two decades.

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Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.

How f’ing dare you. The story opens with a cognitively impaired woman who was declared dead and had her heart beating when the surgeon opened her up. I hate the Times at times for trending right, but I hate you more.

We don’t really know what happened. It may have been outright negligence by failing to check for a heart beat. Or perhaps the heart start right before they began, suggesting they may have falsified the waiting time. If they did falsify the time, that wouldn’t be acceptable either.

Regardless, though, this absolutely doesn't mean she was going to survive. And in the end, she didn't. She wasn't going to survive off life support- it just took longer to die than typical. In other situations not involving transplants, similar spontaneous heart restarts would happen without anyone observing them.

You are medical mafia scum.

You're certainly free to opt-out of medical care.