Horrifying organ donation article

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

Well said. The medical monsters are vultures behind closed doors where we aren’t allowed to see what they’re doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High time for us to get healthy again. Doctors are making us sicker with all their propaganda. There’s no reason why we can’t be at least as healthy as most Europeans are.

European doctors aren’t allowed the profit obsession that exists here. Pharma isn’t allowed to control their entire system.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

Well said. The medical monsters are vultures behind closed doors where we aren’t allowed to see what they’re doing.

Let's be clear. These are situations where the family has been informed of organ donation and expressed interest in proceeding. Likely, as the stories in the article indicate, because the families wanted to save the lives of other people in need of organs. The so-called bullying is the medical staff explaining what steps and decisions need to be made to allow that to continue to be an option.

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This entire thread now reads like a big anti-vax conspiracy and I really hope none of you ever need a transplant. Feel free to get off every registry, but also use the same attitude when a life changing transplant is available and pass it along to the next patient.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread now reads like a big anti-vax conspiracy and I really hope none of you ever need a transplant. Feel free to get off every registry, but also use the same attitude when a life changing transplant is available and pass it along to the next patient.

It sounds like you looked up who Andrew Kaufman is.

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

Here we have a relentless troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

How do you think the people feel who are watching their loved ones slowly dying, knowing that their conditions could be treated with an organ transplant? I can tell you haven't been through that.

It's incredible that those other lives mean nothing to you.

^This is industry talk - Hurry up and be brain dead so we can reap the profits from selling your organs to someone else really rich, or has elite insurance.
The medical monsters need to f’off already.

I bet you're the "chemtrail" poster in the other thread.

[Anonymous]

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Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

Here we have a relentless troll.

What an optimistic take. But I doubt she's a troll. She seems crazy enough to believe the things she's writing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

This is absolute fabricated Bulls*it. no one with metastatic cance is even a candidte for donation. You are such a total liar.

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/20/us/organ-transplants-donors-alive.html?unlocked_article_code=1.YE8.4Wof.6bugeMQGmcIs&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Am betting the American Medical Association is very angry with the cardiologists who wrote this.

AMA does not control any doctors personally and no doctor answer to them, so it really does not matter what they think, and I'm pretty sure they do not care anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

Here we have a relentless troll.

What an optimistic take. But I doubt she's a troll. She seems crazy enough to believe the things she's writing.

You are so much more patient than I am. I really cannot stand this nut job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

You do understand that in that circumstance there were kids at several other hospitals who were going to die without those organs, right? Do you really think it is horrifying to harvest organs from a dead body in order to save the lives of other people?

I don’t think badgering grieving parents is anything but horrifying.

I also think folks may overestimate how miraculous organ transplant is.

Should anything terrible come to my family, I would insist that organ vultures not be allowed in the room until we asked. Where I was, the docs/nurses had to let the organ folks in (and organ folks often got their info messed up, and asked parents of a kid dying of metastatic cancer for consent etc) and they would pressure parents. Sometimes families wanted an extra day of technological support to allow family to visit the bedside. These vultures would pressure parents to harvest organs ASAP bc donation after cardiac death is more limited than after brain death.

It is not the responsibility of parents who lost a (usually previously healthy) child to some tragic cause to save others.

It can be an incredible gift and a powerful decision that can also help the grieving parents. It should never be coerced. Grieving folks shouldn’t be bullied.

No one is being "coerced," but it is a decision that needs to be made in a narrow window of time that happens to coincide with one fo the most difficult times in those individuals' lives. It's obviously better if they've thought about it before and know what they want to do. But if they didn't, or they don't, the decisions still need to be made within that time window. And several other lives hang in the balance.

Is that uncomfortable? Yes, I'm sure it is. Though, having been in that situation, the discomfort of questions from hospital staff pales in comparison to the pain of losing a loved one.

And I've been on the other side of that situation, too. Watching a loved one dying from a failing organ is also incredibly painful. And I can't fathom anyone taking the position that saving lives isn't worth some emotional discomfort.

You are a ghoul. “Some emotional discomfort”??! You are talking about people’s last days with their dying children. My God, every time you post I want to send the NYT article to everyone I know and urge them to drop themselves from the registry.

Well said. The medical monsters are vultures behind closed doors where we aren’t allowed to see what they’re doing.

Sigh, Sockpuppet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I didn’t realize that these ghouls patrolled the hospital hallways. I’m taking off the donor designation on my license.

Pediatric hospitals too. It shouldn’t be legal, but it is. They’re harassing families and trying to not only get the families to donate, but to do so on their timeline (I recall a case of a braindead child, where the organ procurement crew told the family to wait until the patient experienced cardiac death, rather than allow the family to discontinue organ support. I can’t recall what the family chose, but remember the organ team feeling like circling vultures.)

That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

Also total lies, so forget about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here we have a rare, ethical psychiatrist with some useful observations.

Here we have a relentless troll.

What an optimistic take. But I doubt she's a troll. She seems crazy enough to believe the things she's writing.

You are so much more patient than I am. I really cannot stand this nut job.

I go rapidly back and forth between being angry and being sad for her. She's clearly not well- certainly not psychologically and probably not physically. But that isn't an excuse for the misinformation she's spreading.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bs article.

To remove organs a brain perfusion test and a brain activity test have to be done.

There’s never been a case in human history of someone who shows no perfusion to the brain regaining consciousness.

If a patient passes perfusion or it’s not done, that’s called murder and has been illegal for a while.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/02/11/1228330149/brain-death-definition

NP. This is what you're referring to?

"Critics point to rare cases like Jahi McMath, a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead in 2013. Her family refused to withdraw life support for years. She continued to grow and even went through puberty. Jahi never recovered and eventually died. But her case and others have prompted calls to change the law."

That only reinforces that people in these circumstances are dead.

I remember this case. It was absolutely grotesque what the family continued to do to the child's body after she had been declared brain dead/hopelessly neurologcally devastatingly injured. The moved her to a different state just to be able to keep her body going, it was horrifying.