A very uncomfortable situation- how to handle

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Anonymous wrote:Your gut is telling you to call her. I think it will be appreciated that you can see some nuance in a complicated situation and that you care about her.

This sounds kind if you feel comfortable trying it.

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Anonymous wrote:Your gut is telling you to call her. I think it will be appreciated that you can see some nuance in a complicated situation and that you care about her.

This sounds kind if you feel comfortable trying it.

Pp, and when I say it feels kind, I mean to acknowledge the complicated situation of this friendship group, where there was a precedent’s of not talking about these issues and she probably or maybe felt overwhelmed. And who knows what she actually thinks of the situation, but she might’ve felt uncomfortable by the very fact that it was being discussed in the manner that it was.

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Anonymous wrote:Your gut is telling you to call her. I think it will be appreciated that you can see some nuance in a complicated situation and that you care about her.

This sounds kind if you feel comfortable trying it.

Pp, and when I say it feels kind, I mean to acknowledge the complicated situation of this friendship group, where there was a precedent’s of not talking about these issues and she probably or maybe felt overwhelmed. And who knows what she actually thinks of the situation, but she might’ve felt uncomfortable by the very fact that it was being discussed in the manner that it was.

There’s a genocide going on and you are worried about this racist woman’s unreasonable feelings?

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Anonymous wrote:I am with 100% with Israel and the Israeli people.

I am a minority. Non-White. Non-Christian. Immigrant. I am a Democrat who is horrified how quickly democracy folded in this country. But, I also do not discuss politics.

I do not let anyone in my friend's group discuss politics, race and religion. I would have stood up and blasted the ringleader for discussing this topic in my presence in the first place.

If you and your friends actually never discuss politics, in today's political environment, or race, or even religion- these are not friends and you are barely a functioning person. What the heck are you you all ? Barbie dolls that meet for dinner or coffee?
WHAT on earth do you all talk about? Tennis, golf, and your clothes? Such shallow, vapid ignorance.

I would never discuss politics with my friends. My politics are none of their business, and theirs are none of mine. There are a gazillion other things I'd rather discuss with my friends.

Then they aren’t friends. You have a bunch of surface level acquaintances and or coworkers. But- no, they aren't friends.

And I can assure you, if you aren’t discussing the most important issues in the country and world today, yeah, they already know what your politics are.

Maybe in your world.

I have grade school and high school friends that I've known for 40+ years. Our family has many other friends...families of friends of all of our kids. Whenever we get together, we don't discuss politics. It doesn't even come up. I don't know what their politics are, and they don't know mine/ours. We have many, many other things that we enjoy discussing. We save our politics for the ballot box.

Politics involve absolutely everything- our health, our finances and economics, our homes, our children, education, the environment, our relationships. I would not even imagine having long term relationships with anyone where their values and thoughts were not front and center. Furthermore, there is real angst in this world that we are watching up close- the immigration deportations, 2 major wars, our decimated health care, authoritarian rule, interest rates, job loss, and gun violence. If somehow none of those impact any part of your sphere, then you have had a lobotomy. You are likely the dumbest person around or just heavily medicated.

Remember when people disappeared in Germany in the 30s? Do you suppose people just acted like it wasn't happening- like you are doing? Yes, many did exactly that. I will say again, if your friends are not talking about any of the above around you, it is because they already know where you stand and they are accommodating you, why, I have no idea. But- they sure are discussing later, and I can bet your name comes up a lot.

Yes, politics is everywhere and I can get more than my fill of it from watching the news or picking up a newspaper. This is precisely why we don't feel the need to discuss it. When we discuss other things, it is so that we can get away for a brief respite from the ugliness of it all...including the vitriol and namecalling in your above post. I'm sure you are a joy to hang out with.

My family and friends do not pretend that all this is not happening and discuss the weather or what they ate yesterday.

Yes, everyone, all the time, discusses all of their thoughts but also their actions to fight back and contribute to change. Not talking about what it going on is being complicit. It's real life.

Your family and friends are obviously better than pp's family and friends. /S

Most people probably are. Who would PP's friends have to actually be to manage every social event without discussing what is going on. I guess they are too concerned with botox, tennis, lattes, and clothes. But when one of them suddenly has a health issue, I guess they will have to decide if it getting too "political." **Or when they have no nanny or landscaper. Oh, the trauma!

There is lots to talk about besides politics

Books, movies, history, children, cheating CEOs caught on the Coldplay kiss cam. The list is honestly endless without having to ensure that you and all your friends are virtuous, unenlightened progressives who in reality have no clue about the history and depth of the current conflict in Gaza.

People can see that Israel is intentionally starving an entire population. Please drop the "it's complicated" excuse, no one's buying it anymore.

Right?? Babies are STARVING TO DEATH. What's complicated?

And babies were killed on October 7.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish Supremacy.

The temerity to imagine that one is so exceptional and chosen before God and that one’s suffering is somehow above others—in order to be exempt from all moral considerations--that is what is disliked.

Ah yes. Let’s not think about Christian Supremacy or Muslim Supremacy. Girl, no religion has a corner on this idiocy.

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Anonymous wrote:Your gut is telling you to call her. I think it will be appreciated that you can see some nuance in a complicated situation and that you care about her.

This sounds kind if you feel comfortable trying it.

Pp, and when I say it feels kind, I mean to acknowledge the complicated situation of this friendship group, where there was a precedent’s of not talking about these issues and she probably or maybe felt overwhelmed. And who knows what she actually thinks of the situation, but she might’ve felt uncomfortable by the very fact that it was being discussed in the manner that it was.

There’s a genocide going on and you are worried about this racist woman’s unreasonable feelings?

In Sudan? In Yemen - oh wait, they aren’t light skinned enough for you. Racist AF.

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If a certain religion’s institutions in our country require them (as well using our tax dollars) to provide for a foreign army that kills to “make space” for only their children in the “promised” land………..I dont know what we can do at this point but politely decline keeping their company.

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“The function of knowledge is to comprehend in order to change.”

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish Supremacy.

The temerity to imagine that one is so exceptional and chosen before God and that one’s suffering is somehow above others—in order to be exempt from all moral considerations--that is what is disliked.

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Anonymous wrote:Your gut is telling you to call her. I think it will be appreciated that you can see some nuance in a complicated situation and that you care about her.

This sounds kind if you feel comfortable trying it.

Pp, and when I say it feels kind, I mean to acknowledge the complicated situation of this friendship group, where there was a precedent’s of not talking about these issues and she probably or maybe felt overwhelmed. And who knows what she actually thinks of the situation, but she might’ve felt uncomfortable by the very fact that it was being discussed in the manner that it was.

She may feel uncomfortable and children are starving.

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Anonymous wrote:If a certain religion’s institutions in our country require them (as well using our tax dollars) to provide for a foreign army that kills to “make space” for only their children in the “promised” land………..I dont know what we can do at this point but politely decline keeping their company.

Jews lived in every country in the Middle East, but have now been extirpated from every Islamic country. If they can't have their own space, you are telling them that they cannot be there. Palestinians lost several wars that they initiated and lost subsequent territory. Nearly all people living there now did not live there then. Put pressure on another Islamic country to take them.

But I agree with you that I don't need to fund Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:If a certain religion’s institutions in our country require them (as well using our tax dollars) to provide for a foreign army that kills to “make space” for only their children in the “promised” land………..I dont know what we can do at this point but politely decline keeping their company.

Jews lived in every country in the Middle East, but have now been extirpated from every Islamic country. If they can't have their own space, you are telling them that they cannot be there. Palestinians lost several wars that they initiated and lost subsequent territory. Nearly all people living there now did not live there then. Put pressure on another Islamic country to take them.

But I agree with you that I don't need to fund Israel.

Would you say the same to Ukraine's neighbors?

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Anonymous wrote:If a certain religion’s institutions in our country require them (as well using our tax dollars) to provide for a foreign army that kills to “make space” for only their children in the “promised” land………..I dont know what we can do at this point but politely decline keeping their company.

Jews lived in every country in the Middle East, but have now been extirpated from every Islamic country. If they can't have their own space, you are telling them that they cannot be there. Palestinians lost several wars that they initiated and lost subsequent territory. Nearly all people living there now did not live there then. Put pressure on another Islamic country to take them.

But I agree with you that I don't need to fund Israel.

Zionists hasbara, come on. You can do better.

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Anonymous wrote:If a certain religion’s institutions in our country require them (as well using our tax dollars) to provide for a foreign army that kills to “make space” for only their children in the “promised” land………..I dont know what we can do at this point but politely decline keeping their company.

Jews lived in every country in the Middle East, but have now been extirpated from every Islamic country. If they can't have their own space, you are telling them that they cannot be there. Palestinians lost several wars that they initiated and lost subsequent territory. Nearly all people living there now did not live there then. Put pressure on another Islamic country to take them.

But I agree with you that I don't need to fund Israel.

Zionists hasbara, come on. You can do better.

Are you acquainted with pp? How do you know that they can do better?

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As an Indian, my sympathies and support is with Israel. Very sorry about innocent lives being lost on both sides as it happens in any war - but Hamas is responsible for that. Israel is fighting for its very existence.