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The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

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Anonymous wrote:I am with 100% with Israel and the Israeli people.

I am a minority. Non-White. Non-Christian. Immigrant. I am a Democrat who is horrified how quickly democracy folded in this country. But, I also do not discuss politics.

I do not let anyone in my friend's group discuss politics, race and religion. I would have stood up and blasted the ringleader for discussing this topic in my presence in the first place.

If you and your friends actually never discuss politics, in today's political environment, or race, or even religion- these are not friends and you are barely a functioning person. What the heck are you you all ? Barbie dolls that meet for dinner or coffee?
WHAT on earth do you all talk about? Tennis, golf, and your clothes? Such shallow, vapid ignorance.

I would never discuss politics with my friends. My politics are none of their business, and theirs are none of mine. There are a gazillion other things I'd rather discuss with my friends.

Then they aren’t friends. You have a bunch of surface level acquaintances and or coworkers. But- no, they aren't friends.

And I can assure you, if you aren’t discussing the most important issues in the country and world today, yeah, they already know what your politics are.

Maybe in your world.

I have grade school and high school friends that I've known for 40+ years. Our family has many other friends...families of friends of all of our kids. Whenever we get together, we don't discuss politics. It doesn't even come up. I don't know what their politics are, and they don't know mine/ours. We have many, many other things that we enjoy discussing. We save our politics for the ballot box.

Politics involve absolutely everything- our health, our finances and economics, our homes, our children, education, the environment, our relationships. I would not even imagine having long term relationships with anyone where their values and thoughts were not front and center. Furthermore, there is real angst in this world that we are watching up close- the immigration deportations, 2 major wars, our decimated health care, authoritarian rule, interest rates, job loss, and gun violence. If somehow none of those impact any part of your sphere, then you have had a lobotomy. You are likely the dumbest person around or just heavily medicated.

Remember when people disappeared in Germany in the 30s? Do you suppose people just acted like it wasn't happening- like you are doing? Yes, many did exactly that. I will say again, if your friends are not talking about any of the above around you, it is because they already know where you stand and they are accommodating you, why, I have no idea. But- they sure are discussing later, and I can bet your name comes up a lot.

Yes, politics is everywhere and I can get more than my fill of it from watching the news or picking up a newspaper. This is precisely why we don't feel the need to discuss it. When we discuss other things, it is so that we can get away for a brief respite from the ugliness of it all...including the vitriol and namecalling in your above post. I'm sure you are a joy to hang out with.

My family and friends do not pretend that all this is not happening and discuss the weather or what they ate yesterday.

Yes, everyone, all the time, discusses all of their thoughts but also their actions to fight back and contribute to change. Not talking about what it going on is being complicit. It's real life.

Your family and friends are obviously better than pp's family and friends. /S

Most people probably are. Who would PP's friends have to actually be to manage every social event without discussing what is going on. I guess they are too concerned with botox, tennis, lattes, and clothes. But when one of them suddenly has a health issue, I guess they will have to decide if it getting too "political." **Or when they have no nanny or landscaper. Oh, the trauma!

There is lots to talk about besides politics

Books, movies, history, children, cheating CEOs caught on the Coldplay kiss cam. The list is honestly endless without having to ensure that you and all your friends are virtuous, unenlightened progressives who in reality have no clue about the history and depth of the current conflict in Gaza.

People can see that Israel is intentionally starving an entire population. Please drop the "it's complicated" excuse, no one's buying it anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

This is what I've been finding. And these are people I grew up with, too. They know better! I think they lost the whole big picture.

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Anonymous wrote:I am with 100% with Israel and the Israeli people.

I am a minority. Non-White. Non-Christian. Immigrant. I am a Democrat who is horrified how quickly democracy folded in this country. But, I also do not discuss politics.

I do not let anyone in my friend's group discuss politics, race and religion. I would have stood up and blasted the ringleader for discussing this topic in my presence in the first place.

If you and your friends actually never discuss politics, in today's political environment, or race, or even religion- these are not friends and you are barely a functioning person. What the heck are you you all ? Barbie dolls that meet for dinner or coffee?
WHAT on earth do you all talk about? Tennis, golf, and your clothes? Such shallow, vapid ignorance.

I would never discuss politics with my friends. My politics are none of their business, and theirs are none of mine. There are a gazillion other things I'd rather discuss with my friends.

Then they aren’t friends. You have a bunch of surface level acquaintances and or coworkers. But- no, they aren't friends.

And I can assure you, if you aren’t discussing the most important issues in the country and world today, yeah, they already know what your politics are.

Maybe in your world.

I have grade school and high school friends that I've known for 40+ years. Our family has many other friends...families of friends of all of our kids. Whenever we get together, we don't discuss politics. It doesn't even come up. I don't know what their politics are, and they don't know mine/ours. We have many, many other things that we enjoy discussing. We save our politics for the ballot box.

Politics involve absolutely everything- our health, our finances and economics, our homes, our children, education, the environment, our relationships. I would not even imagine having long term relationships with anyone where their values and thoughts were not front and center. Furthermore, there is real angst in this world that we are watching up close- the immigration deportations, 2 major wars, our decimated health care, authoritarian rule, interest rates, job loss, and gun violence. If somehow none of those impact any part of your sphere, then you have had a lobotomy. You are likely the dumbest person around or just heavily medicated.

Remember when people disappeared in Germany in the 30s? Do you suppose people just acted like it wasn't happening- like you are doing? Yes, many did exactly that. I will say again, if your friends are not talking about any of the above around you, it is because they already know where you stand and they are accommodating you, why, I have no idea. But- they sure are discussing later, and I can bet your name comes up a lot.

Yes, politics is everywhere and I can get more than my fill of it from watching the news or picking up a newspaper. This is precisely why we don't feel the need to discuss it. When we discuss other things, it is so that we can get away for a brief respite from the ugliness of it all...including the vitriol and namecalling in your above post. I'm sure you are a joy to hang out with.

My family and friends do not pretend that all this is not happening and discuss the weather or what they ate yesterday.

Yes, everyone, all the time, discusses all of their thoughts but also their actions to fight back and contribute to change. Not talking about what it going on is being complicit. It's real life.

There are lots of relevant things to talk about besides the weather, what you ate yesterday or politics.

You can also fight back without talking about it to your friends.

But why wouldn't you be talking about it with your friends!? Why on earth would anyone not be discussing this. Did ANYONE learn any history?

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

Yes, I’m sure it would be hard to walk away from your racism and misogyny. Serious skinhead vibes. Neo-Nazis on the left are no better or smarter than Neo-Nazis on the right. It’s indeed a tough pill to swallow the banality of your evil. But it’s better for you to put yourself so that we can protect kids from you and yours.

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Anonymous wrote:I am with 100% with Israel and the Israeli people.

I am a minority. Non-White. Non-Christian. Immigrant. I am a Democrat who is horrified how quickly democracy folded in this country. But, I also do not discuss politics.

I do not let anyone in my friend's group discuss politics, race and religion. I would have stood up and blasted the ringleader for discussing this topic in my presence in the first place.

If you and your friends actually never discuss politics, in today's political environment, or race, or even religion- these are not friends and you are barely a functioning person. What the heck are you you all ? Barbie dolls that meet for dinner or coffee?
WHAT on earth do you all talk about? Tennis, golf, and your clothes? Such shallow, vapid ignorance.

I would never discuss politics with my friends. My politics are none of their business, and theirs are none of mine. There are a gazillion other things I'd rather discuss with my friends.

Then they aren’t friends. You have a bunch of surface level acquaintances and or coworkers. But- no, they aren't friends.

And I can assure you, if you aren’t discussing the most important issues in the country and world today, yeah, they already know what your politics are.

Maybe in your world.

I have grade school and high school friends that I've known for 40+ years. Our family has many other friends...families of friends of all of our kids. Whenever we get together, we don't discuss politics. It doesn't even come up. I don't know what their politics are, and they don't know mine/ours. We have many, many other things that we enjoy discussing. We save our politics for the ballot box.

Politics involve absolutely everything- our health, our finances and economics, our homes, our children, education, the environment, our relationships. I would not even imagine having long term relationships with anyone where their values and thoughts were not front and center. Furthermore, there is real angst in this world that we are watching up close- the immigration deportations, 2 major wars, our decimated health care, authoritarian rule, interest rates, job loss, and gun violence. If somehow none of those impact any part of your sphere, then you have had a lobotomy. You are likely the dumbest person around or just heavily medicated.

Remember when people disappeared in Germany in the 30s? Do you suppose people just acted like it wasn't happening- like you are doing? Yes, many did exactly that. I will say again, if your friends are not talking about any of the above around you, it is because they already know where you stand and they are accommodating you, why, I have no idea. But- they sure are discussing later, and I can bet your name comes up a lot.

Yes, politics is everywhere and I can get more than my fill of it from watching the news or picking up a newspaper. This is precisely why we don't feel the need to discuss it. When we discuss other things, it is so that we can get away for a brief respite from the ugliness of it all...including the vitriol and namecalling in your above post. I'm sure you are a joy to hang out with.

My family and friends do not pretend that all this is not happening and discuss the weather or what they ate yesterday.

Yes, everyone, all the time, discusses all of their thoughts but also their actions to fight back and contribute to change. Not talking about what it going on is being complicit. It's real life.

Your family and friends are obviously better than pp's family and friends. /S

Most people probably are. Who would PP's friends have to actually be to manage every social event without discussing what is going on. I guess they are too concerned with botox, tennis, lattes, and clothes. But when one of them suddenly has a health issue, I guess they will have to decide if it getting too "political." **Or when they have no nanny or landscaper. Oh, the trauma!

There is lots to talk about besides politics

Books, movies, history, children, cheating CEOs caught on the Coldplay kiss cam. The list is honestly endless without having to ensure that you and all your friends are virtuous, unenlightened progressives who in reality have no clue about the history and depth of the current conflict in Gaza.

People can see that Israel is intentionally starving an entire population. Please drop the "it's complicated" excuse, no one's buying it anymore.

Right?? Babies are STARVING TO DEATH. What's complicated?

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

I would have listened to my Jewish husband and never called that woman who walked out.

She feels uncomfortable with criticism of a country that is killing children.

She is a supremacist that lacks any introspection.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

And this idiocy is why reasonable, moderate Jews who do not support Netanyahu and do not approve of the way this war has been prosecuted only talk to each other .

Because it’s now super fashionable to blame “Zionism” which really just means “not thinking that Israel, an entire country that exists, should be wiped off the face of the Earth”. It’s been deliberately conflated with “approval of the current war” by those who have been trying to destroy Israel from day one.

And the entire left has fallen for it a hook, line, and sinker. It’s sad and it’s gross.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

And this idiocy is why reasonable, moderate Jews who do not support Netanyahu and do not approve of the way this war has been prosecuted only talk to each other .

Because it’s now super fashionable to blame “Zionism” which really just means “not thinking that Israel, an entire country that exists, should be wiped off the face of the Earth”. It’s been deliberately conflated with “approval of the current war” by those who have been trying to destroy Israel from day one.

And the entire left has fallen for it a hook, line, and sinker. It’s sad and it’s gross.

Honey, its high time you de-programmed yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

And this idiocy is why reasonable, moderate Jews who do not support Netanyahu and do not approve of the way this war has been prosecuted only talk to each other .

Because it’s now super fashionable to blame “Zionism” which really just means “not thinking that Israel, an entire country that exists, should be wiped off the face of the Earth”. It’s been deliberately conflated with “approval of the current war” by those who have been trying to destroy Israel from day one.

And the entire left has fallen for it a hook, line, and sinker. It’s sad and it’s gross.

You think it's the left? I mean it looks like you have been played big time. Both administrations are counting in you to keep defending Israel and your extreme loyalty due to your religious beliefs. Your "beliefs" are apparently fine with starving and killing people? That's not at all what Judaism is. You need to go back to the beginning, from 1948, to understand what is going on . None of this is OK. The entire world condemns it- not just those whom you consider left here. You are not the victim- on any level. You have been taken hook, line, and sinker.
Now, look at Christian Nationalists here trying to take over this country. They want Israel too. Are you SURE you are playing for the right team? What about Russia- you think they are right, too?

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Anonymous wrote:OP - you realize this friend group is done, right?

But also, the original mom has no idea how to behave properly. Unless you are truly truly truly close friends, and not a bunch of moms who casually hang out, it’s the rule not to discuss truly sensitive and inflammatory topics, whether it’s Israel, domestic politics, abortion rights, religious arguments, what Russia is doing etc.

You would have pacified hitler. Disgusting.

It is right to discuss important issues

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Anonymous wrote:OP - you realize this friend group is done, right?

But also, the original mom has no idea how to behave properly. Unless you are truly truly truly close friends, and not a bunch of moms who casually hang out, it’s the rule not to discuss truly sensitive and inflammatory topics, whether it’s Israel, domestic politics, abortion rights, religious arguments, what Russia is doing etc.

You would have pacified hitler. Disgusting.

It is right to discuss important issues

Your first sentence demonstrates exactly why many people don't want to discuss these types of issues with friends. You can't resist making it personal.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

This. Let’s start talking about that.

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Anonymous wrote:The woman who walked out realized that she can't defend the indefensible. It's a tough pill for people to swallow when they've been brainwashed with Zionism their whole life.

I would have listened to my Jewish husband and never called that woman who walked out.

She feels uncomfortable with criticism of a country that is killing children.

She is a supremacist that lacks any introspection.

What sort of supremacist?

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Jewish Supremacy.

The temerity to imagine that one is so exceptional and chosen before God and that one’s suffering is somehow above others—in order to be exempt from all moral considerations--that is what is disliked.