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The Native Americans are the textbook example of what happens when you don't do a good job of enforcing your borders.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

I'm a liberal who voted for Harris and doesn't want to see door to door raids and mass deportations of people who aren't criminals. However, my kids also attend/have attended a Title 1 school and diverse MS and HS and I would be lying if I told you this had no impact on their education. In ES the upper class white parents push to get kid into AAP so they can either leave the school for a center or be in a segregated classroom of AAP kids. Kids who don't get into AAP/are average or even above average but don't have parents who throw a fit to get them in AAP absolutely get overlooked. They end up in classes with kids who have language barriers and/or behavioral issues and lot of time in the early years is spent just getting kids up to speed on basics and there is little time left for learning outside of LA and Math. Then they get to MS and HS and have to deal with a large population of kids who spend their school days in the bathrooms vaping and getting high.

PTA involvement is also low as only one population of parents show up and volunteer. A ton of PTA efforts are spent on providing food and clothing for these families instead of enriching the lives of all the students.

Agreed. But what is your solution since you don't want deportations of non-criminal undocumented? We can't keep increasing taxes so the bloated county budget gets even more out of control.

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I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

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Anonymous wrote:White settlers getting away from conditions in their European countries came over and brutalized a native population and tried to eradicat their culture. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. You know, the sins of the father will be visited upon the sons, etc.

You mean, the Europeans conquered new territory and replaced the existing culture (which was savage) with their own. As has happened throughout history.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

Are you in elementary, middle, or high school?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

Perfectly well behaved children can still require a lot of time and attention from a classroom teacher in a Gen Ed classroom, if they are having trouble understanding what’s going on. You are setting up a strawman argument saying that people are concerned about high numbers of ESOL kids due to behavior issues. I think one poster mentioned that but that’s not what most are talking about.

But speaking of behavior issues, many parents would like there to see changes made on that front as well. Time and attention spent on serious behavior issues also takes away from the other kids in the class. But that’s a separate issue with a separate set of considerations.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

Not a troll. I'm in Baltimore City. The last time our FARMS rate was calculated, the school was around 95% free and reduced meals (the entire district has been free meals for nearly a decade). Most of my primary students are US citizens and are well behaved. Most of their parents are grateful for their education but work multiple jobs so not much time to help them at home (although sometimes I can get older siblings to help at home). The last real behavior issue I had was in 2021-2022.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.

You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.

Ah there it is.

When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.

Your kid will still be inferior.

Inferior to who?

Everyone you think they would be better than if it wasn't for the poor ESL kids taking resources away from them.

I don't think they would be better than anyone else, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

I've had a kid go through AAP who is 99th percentile , speaks/reads/writes a second langage (no immersion needed) and is currently working on a third language, is in all honors with a 4.3 GPA. That kid got an excellent FCPS experience. My kid that doesn't/won't have those stats but is average deserves an excellent experience as well. The difference in the AAP versus general education classroom experiences is so stark it's shocking. I don't care if you believe that. I don't care what you think of it.

I won't be responding further.

NP. Then get your kid into all the local tutoring businesses, e.g. Russian School of Math, make your kid do the work, get into AAP, and then you don't have to worry. The reality is your kid needs to study more, just as all the gen ed kids do. Make your kid be the one that does.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

I just realized that my husband's cousin (elementary TESOL teacher) is doing exactly this. He already studied one European foreign language. It helps him communicate with one set of immigrants in his district. And he's mastering another lamguage now that helps him communicate with another set of immigrants.

It isn't an expectation. He want to help kids, he loves languages, and he wants to do a good job. And he does.

It's sad that you think the idea of teachers doing an excellent job is laughably improbable. Just because of being underpaid. Teachers usually don't go into the profession for pay.

Serious question: are you trolling? Because you are putting a bizarre spin on my words. I *never* said "the idea of teachers doing an excellent job is laughably improbable." OTC, I think the vast majority of teachers do an excellent job every day, given the lack of resources and pay they receive. I think that a teacher trying his or her best to teach a classroom of students - several of whom don't speak any English - should be given a medal. That's not what they signed up for.

Your strange advocacy of requiring teachers to not only teach their English-speaking students, but also to somehow find enough time in the day to teach their non-English speaking students is bizarre. How about you spend even one day trying to do just that?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

Not a troll. I'm in Baltimore City. The last time our FARMS rate was calculated, the school was around 95% free and reduced meals (the entire district has been free meals for nearly a decade). Most of my primary students are US citizens and are well behaved. Most of their parents are grateful for their education but work multiple jobs so not much time to help them at home (although sometimes I can get older siblings to help at home). The last real behavior issue I had was in 2021-2022.

So most of your students are US citizens? Sounds like a different situation than the rest of us. You must be in a pretty magical place where you e only had 1-2 behavior issues while the rest of us are seeing that each year.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

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I was a long-term sub in an elementary classroom that had 25 kids. Seven were non-English speakers. Those seven clustered together every day, speaking Spanish and distracting everyone else. They didn't pay attention to anything I tried to teach, and in fact, made it very difficult for the other kids to hear when I was speaking because they would not be quiet. While I understand how isolating their situation is, there was absolutely nothing fair about what was going on in that classroom. I had to spend half the day trying to explain to them what to do, while the other kids received very little of my attention. I have never been so glad to see the regular teacher return, and I honestly don't know how she did it. The answer is, she probably did the bare minimum because that's all the day really allows under these conditions. It's a disgraceful situation that the teachers are put into, not to mention the kids who are trying to learn something.