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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

Not a troll. I'm in Baltimore City. The last time our FARMS rate was calculated, the school was around 95% free and reduced meals (the entire district has been free meals for nearly a decade). Most of my primary students are US citizens and are well behaved. Most of their parents are grateful for their education but work multiple jobs so not much time to help them at home (although sometimes I can get older siblings to help at home). The last real behavior issue I had was in 2021-2022.

So most of your students are US citizens? Sounds like a different situation than the rest of us. You must be in a pretty magical place where you e only had 1-2 behavior issues while the rest of us are seeing that each year.

My caseload of primary students (K-2) is usually around 40ish kids. Out of that, maybe 5-8 weren't born in the US. That's pretty funny that you think I'm in a magical place because Baltimore City is third world like in many ways (no heat/AC, rodent infestations, no potable water, mold, etc). The behavior issues aren't usually the ESOL students. In fact, I often have to pull some of my newcomers aside each year to tell them not to copy what they see some of their native English speaking classmates doing/saying.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

My kids attend a predominant "white" High School. Kids will not get more attention and test scores will not increase...

These kids have other "1st World problems", such as drugs, suicide, bomb threats, disruptive behaviors, entitlement, etc.

What a totally bizarre and irrelevant post.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

DP. OMG, will you please exit the thread unless you have something relevant to add? We are NOT talking about your particular kid's situation. JFC, you are dense.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

NP. I’ve spoken with FCPS teachers who candidly will tell you the time required to deal with an increasing number of ESOL kids detracts from their ability to work with other students. I guess you think the “native kids” can essentially teach themselves or just use a program on a laptop.

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Exactly. The PP is either a troll or extremely stupid. She needs to spend a few days subbing in one of the classrooms we're actually discussing here.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.

You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.

I think it's time to report the troll.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.

If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.

I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.

It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.

Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.

You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.

I think it's time to report the troll.

Truth hurts ehh

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If there is no impact from the poor ESL students, why do so many posters on this board freak out about there kids potentially being sent to Herndon or Lewis?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

I said this back on page 3-4 and it doesn’t matter - they don’t believe us. Someone cited the majority of suspensions in schools with heavy ESL populations are students who are ESL because they don’t even understand proportions. I contend with you - the biggest behaviors I have had to deal with over the years are not with the recently arrived ESL students who are desperately attempting to learn English, possibly while also trying to work to support their family or living here alone or with a sibling because their parent sent them ahead to get them out of their home country.

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Anonymous wrote:If there is no impact from the poor ESL students, why do so many posters on this board freak out about there kids potentially being sent to Herndon or Lewis?

Most white parents do not want their kids in schools with large populations of minority students. They just don’t. If there’s too many Asian students the white parents think there’s an academic conspiracy that’s oppressing their kids. If there’s too many Black and Hispanic students, white parents think their kids are existing in a criminal hell hole rampant with bad behaviors and limited educational opportunities. You see this time and time again on this board.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

Not a troll. I'm in Baltimore City. The last time our FARMS rate was calculated, the school was around 95% free and reduced meals (the entire district has been free meals for nearly a decade). Most of my primary students are US citizens and are well behaved. Most of their parents are grateful for their education but work multiple jobs so not much time to help them at home (although sometimes I can get older siblings to help at home). The last real behavior issue I had was in 2021-2022.

So most of your students are US citizens? Sounds like a different situation than the rest of us. You must be in a pretty magical place where you e only had 1-2 behavior issues while the rest of us are seeing that each year.

My caseload of primary students (K-2) is usually around 40ish kids. Out of that, maybe 5-8 weren't born in the US. That's pretty funny that you think I'm in a magical place because Baltimore City is third world like in many ways (no heat/AC, rodent infestations, no potable water, mold, etc). The behavior issues aren't usually the ESOL students. In fact, I often have to pull some of my newcomers aside each year to tell them not to copy what they see some of their native English speaking classmates doing/saying.

Baltimore City schools may as well be on a different planet than FCPS. PP was right, you are in a completely different situation than what we are dealing with.

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It all comes down to assimilation. Both legal and illegal immigrants made more effort to assimilate into American society in the 20th century. Since the internet age our society has moved towards championing individualism and political correctness. The internet makes it easier to get what one needs with less individual and societal interaction, especially outside of one's cultural bubble. On one hand it truly does show America as the land of opportunity when you have a 2nd generation immigrant who barely speaks English but owns and runs a successful blue collar business. On the other, it makes assimilation not as necessary and a slower process over several generations.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

I said this back on page 3-4 and it doesn’t matter - they don’t believe us. Someone cited the majority of suspensions in schools with heavy ESL populations are students who are ESL because they don’t even understand proportions. I contend with you - the biggest behaviors I have had to deal with over the years are not with the recently arrived ESL students who are desperately attempting to learn English, possibly while also trying to work to support their family or living here alone or with a sibling because their parent sent them ahead to get them out of their home country.

I teach in FCPS, at a school that is just under threshold for Title 1, which many FCPS schools are. So, I will agree with your statement that most Level 1, ESL kids are not behavior problems. But, many of our Level 2-4 are. Many of them are citizens but the parents are not. Some have been in ESL since K. These are the kids that end up becoming behavior problems in upper ES.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

I said this back on page 3-4 and it doesn’t matter - they don’t believe us. Someone cited the majority of suspensions in schools with heavy ESL populations are students who are ESL because they don’t even understand proportions. I contend with you - the biggest behaviors I have had to deal with over the years are not with the recently arrived ESL students who are desperately attempting to learn English, possibly while also trying to work to support their family or living here alone or with a sibling because their parent sent them ahead to get them out of their home country.

I teach in FCPS, at a school that is just under threshold for Title 1, which many FCPS schools are. So, I will agree with your statement that most Level 1, ESL kids are not behavior problems. But, many of our Level 2-4 are. Many of them are citizens but the parents are not. Some have been in ESL since K. These are the kids that end up becoming behavior problems in upper ES.

Adding on… I did not say all. In any scenario you will have some respectful, eager to learn kids. But if a kid is ESL for 7 years, clearly school is a struggle for them and they act out.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an ESOL teacher and all of the behavior issues in my grade are native English speakers. I’ve only had 1-2 ESOL students with real behavior issues in 12 yrs.

What? Where are you at? Are you at a school with mostly diplomat ESOL kids or undocumented? I am an ESOL teacher at a school with a majority ESOL and of those students almost all have uneducated families. We currently have at least 1-2 real behavior issues per class. There's no way that in your 12 years you have only had 1-2. That's laughable.

The PP is a troll, statistically any demographic has more than 1-2 students with behavior issues over 12 years.

Not a troll. I'm in Baltimore City. The last time our FARMS rate was calculated, the school was around 95% free and reduced meals (the entire district has been free meals for nearly a decade). Most of my primary students are US citizens and are well behaved. Most of their parents are grateful for their education but work multiple jobs so not much time to help them at home (although sometimes I can get older siblings to help at home). The last real behavior issue I had was in 2021-2022.

So most of your students are US citizens? Sounds like a different situation than the rest of us. You must be in a pretty magical place where you e only had 1-2 behavior issues while the rest of us are seeing that each year.

My caseload of primary students (K-2) is usually around 40ish kids. Out of that, maybe 5-8 weren't born in the US. That's pretty funny that you think I'm in a magical place because Baltimore City is third world like in many ways (no heat/AC, rodent infestations, no potable water, mold, etc). The behavior issues aren't usually the ESOL students. In fact, I often have to pull some of my newcomers aside each year to tell them not to copy what they see some of their native English speaking classmates doing/saying.

Baltimore City schools may as well be on a different planet than FCPS. PP was right, you are in a completely different situation than what we are dealing with.

What's your completely different situation than an inner city school? Are you claiming its worse in FCPS because your poor child has to deal with non English speakers in a classroom? The trauma.