Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Your kid will still be inferior.
Inferior to who?
Everyone you think they would be better than if it wasn't for the poor ESL kids taking resources away from them.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Your kid will still be inferior.
Inferior to who?
Everyone you think they would be better than if it wasn't for the poor ESL kids taking resources away from them.
I don't think they would be better than anyone else, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
I've had a kid go through AAP who is 99th percentile , speaks/reads/writes a second langage (no immersion needed) and is currently working on a third language, is in all honors with a 4.3 GPA. That kid got an excellent FCPS experience. My kid that doesn't/won't have those stats but is average deserves an excellent experience as well. The difference in the AAP versus general education classroom experiences is so stark it's shocking. I don't care if you believe that. I don't care what you think of it.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
Nope. The plan is to deport the entire family together.
Can you deport a Natural Born Citizen? Doesn't seem constitutional regardless of age. I guess they are banking on the parents taking the kids with them. And depending on where they are going to - this may not be an option for them.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
Nope. The plan is to deport the entire family together.
Can you deport a Natural Born Citizen? Doesn't seem constitutional regardless of age. I guess they are banking on the parents taking the kids with them. And depending on where they are going to - this may not be an option for them.
If the parent is leaving an American citizen child here, they are not being separated. That is their choice.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Other people have responded to you, but I was the one who wrote the Previous post. We just had an election where illegal immigration was very clearly an issue that motivated voters. And your take away is that we should… have more immersion programs at schools? Read the room lady. I know you think you have this all figured out and are smarter than anyone else here, but you are making yourself look worse with each post.
For what it’s worth, my own children attend one of the most affluent elementary schools in this district. The majority of kids from immigrant families speak English in addition to the family’s native language, because the parents are affluent and educated. But I can completely understand the challenges at other schools where that is not the case.
You have made it abundantly clear that you do not understand how education works. Yet you wonder why no one agrees with you.
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
Let me get this straight. You are describing your kids experience at a school where many of the ESL kids’ native language is being spoken for much of the day, saying everything is great, and that you don’t understand why others don’t see your point. You are the one who is missing the point.the majority of schools are not immersion schools. The ESL kids are not getting instruction in their native language in most schools. This means that teachers have to spend a lot of time and attention on the ESL kids to make sure they are on track. This directly takes time and attention away from the native English speakers in the classroom. This really is not hard to understand. To use your logic, it’s not native English speakers’ fault that some immigrant kids don’t speak any English.
You realize the reason immersion schools exist is to address the things you are complaining about. I don't see anyone here saying ohhh maybe we should have immersion at more schools . Instead you want to deport people and blame your kids lack of intellect on immigrants. Got it. Your kids not smart get over yourself.
Ah there it is.
When no one fawns over your virtue signaling, you get nasty.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Looking forwards to things getting righted in the next 4 years.
Do you really think it’s that simple? All the undocumented people leave (which is not the same as ESL-in our ES, many of the ESL kids were legal/kids of diplomats). And then what? What about American born disruptive kids who also are in Gen Ed? Will lower academic standards go away also? And lax discipline?
Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.
Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.
They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?
Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.
I'm not the poster you quoted.
Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.
Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.
Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.
The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.
Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?
The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.
My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.
Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.
+100
My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.
Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.
You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.
Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.
That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.
The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.
Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.
I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.
A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.
My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.
If the teachers are speaking Spanish in the school then the problems discussed here dont apply. Your school is the exception not the rule. The rest of us are discussing environments that are not immersion.
I really wish people would stop this virtue signaling.
It's not virtue signaling. It's pointing out that the ESL kids can learn another language and not impact my kid in the process, just like for half her day that she is learning a language and able to keep up. I will go back to my original point, the native kids are reaching their potential with or without ESL kids in the picture. Just because your kid is average or below average it's not an immigrants fault.
NP. I’ve spoken with FCPS teachers who candidly will tell you the time required to deal with an increasing number of ESOL kids detracts from their ability to work with other students. I guess you think the “native kids” can essentially teach themselves or just use a program on a laptop.
Yes generally speaking you read a book and learn things, the amount of handholding you think your kid needs is comical. If they need that much support it's quite telling.
So the native kids are tossed books or told to work on laptops, gloss over the words they don’t understand, and aren’t checked to see if they can pronounce the words they are reading correctly. That’s not education; it’s day care.
The native kids in the US are treated even worse. They get to live on reservations in poverty unless their tribe has a casino. It's almost like karma...like what goes around comes around. White settlers getting away from conditions in their European countries came over and brutalized a native population and tried to eradicat their culture. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. You know, the sins of the father will be visited upon the sons, etc.
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