APS Yondr Pouch: Opening at home questions

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

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He didn't have issues, but unlike some particularly vocal parents, is open to a different system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Stickin' it to the man! Selef-righteousness! Entitled superior beings above rules!

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

Why? At least pouches can be quickly unlocked and the phones don't have to be retrieved when the student leaves for the day, particularly if they have to leave early....how are those "timed locks" on the lockers overridden then?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

I thought the pouch only needs a magnet to unlock. Why would there be a line at the start of the day?

They are just learning how it works and it takes time. Also, the "adults" are supposed to actually see each student put their phone in and lock it. It will get faster as everyone learns the routine and the adults are less diligent about witnessing every single step of the process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

Kids don't HAVE to contact parents to get picked up. Schools will send out communications. Just won't be as fast and direct with your student as you prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

This. I think there is a strong consensus among both parents and teachers that phones should be away during instructional time, but that's not the issue here. You can't ask teachers one question (should phones be out during instruction) and use their answer to support a much broader policy. The issue is really whether schools are justified in spending scarce resources and risking unintended consequences to jail phones from bell to bell when there are more tailored measures available. There are lots of good reasons for students to be able to be in touch with their parents and Yondr will not magically solve the bogeymen (social media, etc.) the Luddites are raging about. Yondr's stated "evidence" in favor of its pouches is that suicide and depression rates have gone up since 2010. And therefore these changes are caused by cell phones. And therefore our kids will no longer be depressed if their phones are out of reach during the school day. And therefore, you need a Yondr pouch because kids will violate policies but will never figure out how to unlock the pouch. And, and, and. Each of these logical leaps lacks evidence. You may believe that all cell phones are bad at all times for all kids but you've gotten well beyond fact at that point. And once we've gotten well beyond fact, the schools shouldn't be spending money or creating problems that don't need to exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

Kids don't HAVE to contact parents to get picked up. Schools will send out communications. Just won't be as fast and direct with your student as you prefer.

It's a sub-par solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

Which private schools have those?

— private school teacher

A Maryland one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Omg, talk about “The Anxious Generation”. The phone is not going to save their life and may actually endanger them and their classmates more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

Our school sends out a mass text message if they have a lockdown or drill. Why didn’t they just text all the parents “school is closed unexpectedly, please come pickup your kid”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

you're delusional if you think the pouches mean they don't have to spend any time thinking about phones all day. hahahahah.

But it’s far simpler. If they find someone with a phone, it goes in their locked poach, and won’t be an issue the rest of the day. If they have a decoy phone it will be confiscated. It greatly simplifies and reduces teacher phone monitoring.

You laugh, so what is the joke here? Are you not disappointed that teachers can’t teach your children and focus on that rather than distractions like phones?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

Why? At least pouches can be quickly unlocked and the phones don't have to be retrieved when the student leaves for the day, particularly if they have to leave early....how are those "timed locks" on the lockers overridden then?

Whenever a student leaves early; the front office is notified and they can enter a code to allow access to that students locker. This is a solved problem at many facilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

This. I think there is a strong consensus among both parents and teachers that phones should be away during instructional time, but that's not the issue here. You can't ask teachers one question (should phones be out during instruction) and use their answer to support a much broader policy. The issue is really whether schools are justified in spending scarce resources and risking unintended consequences to jail phones from bell to bell when there are more tailored measures available. There are lots of good reasons for students to be able to be in touch with their parents and Yondr will not magically solve the bogeymen (social media, etc.) the Luddites are raging about. Yondr's stated "evidence" in favor of its pouches is that suicide and depression rates have gone up since 2010. And therefore these changes are caused by cell phones. And therefore our kids will no longer be depressed if their phones are out of reach during the school day. And therefore, you need a Yondr pouch because kids will violate policies but will never figure out how to unlock the pouch. And, and, and. Each of these logical leaps lacks evidence. You may believe that all cell phones are bad at all times for all kids but you've gotten well beyond fact at that point. And once we've gotten well beyond fact, the schools shouldn't be spending money or creating problems that don't need to exist.

Please use paragraphs for your screed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

Kids don't HAVE to contact parents to get picked up. Schools will send out communications. Just won't be as fast and direct with your student as you prefer.

It's a sub-par solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.

The bigger and more frequent problem is phones in the classroom; the lockdown which becomes school dismissal without access to the school — how often does that happen??? Most lockdowns resolve and return to normal schedule, what is going on at these schools that they throw their hands up and say “whatevs, go home”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

you're delusional if you think the pouches mean they don't have to spend any time thinking about phones all day. hahahahah.

But it’s far simpler. If they find someone with a phone, it goes in their locked poach, and won’t be an issue the rest of the day. If they have a decoy phone it will be confiscated. It greatly simplifies and reduces teacher phone monitoring.

You laugh, so what is the joke here? Are you not disappointed that teachers can’t teach your children and focus on that rather than distractions like phones?

I would like to initiate a vote of no confidence concerning all your posts until you learn to spell. You poach an egg to make, for example, Eggs Benedict, a far superior experience to what Yondr is selling. If you had mispelled it once, you'd get a pass but you have mispelled it every time you've posted. Yondr needs to hire better interns.