APS Yondr Pouch: Opening at home questions

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

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my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

I thought the pouch only needs a magnet to unlock. Why would there be a line at the start of the day?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

Which private schools have those?

— private school teacher

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

I thought the pouch only needs a magnet to unlock. Why would there be a line at the start of the day?

Because they watch to make sure each kid locks up his or her phone on entry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

I thought the pouch only needs a magnet to unlock. Why would there be a line at the start of the day?

To make sure the kids have their phones in pouches I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.

most teachers? hahahaha

A strong majority, 76%? Is that about the same as most? Is there a better word, maybe preponderance?


https://teachinglicense.study.com/featured-insights/mobile-bans-increase-engagement-and-learning-time.html

That’s in favor of phones away in classes, not locked in stupid pouches all day

Right. They won’t care how the phones are away. My mom was a teacher. The poaches mean they don’t have to spend any time thinking about phones all day, so how is that at least not neutral.?

I personally want to have purpose build cell phone lockers like the private schools use. Times locks

you're delusional if you think the pouches mean they don't have to spend any time thinking about phones all day. hahahahah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid has a fake one in the pouch. This experiment cost us 130K.

You’re such a cool mom!!

So if your kid doesn’t use their phone all day, why do they bother with a fake one?

DP. Obviously in case of emergency/lockdown. That’s why we’ve considered this, too, and I’m sure many others are also doing it.

Yup my friend's kid was in a lockdown. Phones were required to be in lockers. School made kids leave without letting them get their phones. Kids had no way to contact parents to get home. It was a freakin nightmare.

I don't trust APS one bit not to do this again.

PP here. Yeah, this happened to my kid in MS, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

I'm not wed to the pouches. I am more open minded and willing to give something a try than you are, and clearly more understanding that there will be a transition period, that something like this doesn't just magically start off on day one perfectly without learning curves. You are the one who is so triggered by the issue and so obstinately adamant that there is no way these pouches can provide any benefit. I got the same email. No, I'm not particularly distressed and concerned at this point about lost instructional time. So much instructional time has been wasted for so many students due to these phones for years now. A little lost time while a program that will greatly eliminate that gets implemented? Peanuts.

You saw a long line on the first day. My kid arrived 8:15 and said there was no big line. If it were me, I think I'd find the staggered dismissal remaining in place annoying; but my kid actually thinks that's better so far because they've opened up town hall more so you can actually walk through the hallways again. Different perspectives, no hate or snark toward an opposing view. Give it a try.