Upper middle class family claiming “full ride (sports) scholarship” to small D3 private college?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

To be clear, the 'D3 schools give top secret sports scholarships under the guise of merit aid' morons believe the 12k aid package they gave their kid (and to literally every other warm body that was stupid enough to enroll at a dying school like Gettysburg) actually is for their 'athletic prowess'. Hell, maybe even the coaches phrase it such that big daddy walks away thinking junior is the next Bo Jackson. But, we all know it's not.

Sad, really.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

To be clear, the 'D3 schools give top secret sports scholarships under the guise of merit aid' morons believe the 12k aid package they gave their kid (and to literally every other warm body that was stupid enough to enroll at a dying school like Gettysburg) actually is for their 'athletic prowess'. Hell, maybe even the coaches phrase it such that big daddy walks away thinking junior is the next Bo Jackson. But, we all know it's not.

Sad, really.

lol. You’re a talented writer. And everything you wrote is spot on. I think it’s both: The parents and student-athletes are casual pathological liars and also, the huckster coaches con these easy marks with all the sweet nothings they want to hear. These d3 coaches probably get bonuses not for the wins and trophies, but based off how many saps they con into enrolling at these dying colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Simmons is a popular sports podcast host and worth $200 million dollars. Even he was a swooped up into the travel sports craziness for years and would claim his daughter was going to go play D1 soccer. She ended up walking on to some D3 club team at an obscure New England college.

Emerson isn’t obscure in the communications field.

I believe Simmons’ daughter attended the most expensive prep school in LA. For 10 years he would brag about how amazing she was at soccer, how deeply invested the family was in her travel soccer career, and would name drop D1 schools like Vanderbilt and I think even Duke. To then end up walking on a club team at a fairly obscure D3 is hilarious. It’s just a famous example of what deluded braggart wackos most sports parents are. And of course AFTER the kid ended up at a D3, Simmons started yapping about what a racket the travel sports industrial complex is.

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We know a bonafide D1 bound swimmer. She is the sweetest girl and her parents never boast or brag. Imagine being parents like that and some non selective D3 bound parents start bragging about fake athletic scholarship offers. 🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

To be clear, the 'D3 schools give top secret sports scholarships under the guise of merit aid' morons believe the 12k aid package they gave their kid (and to literally every other warm body that was stupid enough to enroll at a dying school like Gettysburg) actually is for their 'athletic prowess'. Hell, maybe even the coaches phrase it such that big daddy walks away thinking junior is the next Bo Jackson. But, we all know it's not.

Sad, really.

lol. You’re a talented writer. And everything you wrote is spot on. I think it’s both: The parents and student-athletes are casual pathological liars and also, the huckster coaches con these easy marks with all the sweet nothings they want to hear. These d3 coaches probably get bonuses not for the wins and trophies, but based off how many saps they con into enrolling at these dying colleges.

I know several track coaches - mostly at the D3 level - whose job is tied to increasing enrollment or diversity. I wondered what type of coach takes this on but they are generally confident of their coaching abilities and the ways in which they relate to young people and use these enrollment jobs to get an entry into a profession with declining demographics. This having been said - and it is a problem with the sport - the best coaches tend to be at the high school level. One thing about D3 as compared to a D1 person on scholarship - and I experienced the latter out of economic need - is that an athlete can quit D3 without significant consequences. I couldn’t quit because my scholarship (at easily one of the best schools in the country) would have been pulled. Easy to question why anyone would quit D1 but a diet of 100 mile weeks with a sprinters form and talent is no joke. I really hated subordinating academics to athletics but there was no choice. Now, clearly I was lucky but I view D3 types very positively as a result. Can’t imagine why anyone would brag about a D3 scholarship - not what D3 is about.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

To be clear, the 'D3 schools give top secret sports scholarships under the guise of merit aid' morons believe the 12k aid package they gave their kid (and to literally every other warm body that was stupid enough to enroll at a dying school like Gettysburg) actually is for their 'athletic prowess'. Hell, maybe even the coaches phrase it such that big daddy walks away thinking junior is the next Bo Jackson. But, we all know it's not.

Sad, really.

lol. You’re a talented writer. And everything you wrote is spot on. I think it’s both: The parents and student-athletes are casual pathological liars and also, the huckster coaches con these easy marks with all the sweet nothings they want to hear. These d3 coaches probably get bonuses not for the wins and trophies, but based off how many saps they con into enrolling at these dying colleges.

I know several track coaches - mostly at the D3 level - whose job is tied to increasing enrollment or diversity. I wondered what type of coach takes this on but they are generally confident of their coaching abilities and the ways in which they relate to young people and use these enrollment jobs to get an entry into a profession with declining demographics. This having been said - and it is a problem with the sport - the best coaches tend to be at the high school level. One thing about D3 as compared to a D1 person on scholarship - and I experienced the latter out of economic need - is that an athlete can quit D3 without significant consequences. I couldn’t quit because my scholarship (at easily one of the best schools in the country) would have been pulled. Easy to question why anyone would quit D1 but a diet of 100 mile weeks with a sprinters form and talent is no joke. I really hated subordinating academics to athletics but there was no choice. Now, clearly I was lucky but I view D3 types very positively as a result. Can’t imagine why anyone would brag about a D3 scholarship - not what D3 is about.

The Duke track poster is back...

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Anonymous wrote:We know a bonafide D1 bound swimmer. She is the sweetest girl and her parents never boast or brag. Imagine being parents like that and some non selective D3 bound parents start bragging about fake athletic scholarship offers. 🤣🤣🤣

Our neighbor was recruited for D1 lacrosse - same experience. Awesome humble kid and family. Never brag about stuff like that or make endless social media posts. Just salt of the earth people with nothing to prove.

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Clearly 19 pages hasn't provided what we want to know. Why does the original poster care? Jealous? Can't mind their own business?

Every family is different, some families need to boast or make declarations about their child's prowess in an effort to make themselves feel better about the prospect, and give relevancy to their decisions. Other families go about their business and no one hears a thing about their decisions, financial aid packages "athletic scholarships". My guess is the student in question is cringing at their parents' approach to this. Ultimately - it doesn't matter how they promote themselves and their "athletic" scholarship. It has no bearing on what the rest of us are doing.

I wish the student the best and I'm sure they will be thrilled to be away from their family next fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly 19 pages hasn't provided what we want to know. Why does the original poster care? Jealous? Can't mind their own business?

Every family is different, some families need to boast or make declarations about their child's prowess in an effort to make themselves feel better about the prospect, and give relevancy to their decisions. Other families go about their business and no one hears a thing about their decisions, financial aid packages "athletic scholarships". My guess is the student in question is cringing at their parents' approach to this. Ultimately - it doesn't matter how they promote themselves and their "athletic" scholarship. It has no bearing on what the rest of us are doing.

I wish the student the best and I'm sure they will be thrilled to be away from their family next fall.

And these families are annoying. And lame. And we’re tired of listening to their crap.

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Good golly people. Grow up and let and live. People in the real world use terms like scholarships and merit aid and financial aid interchangeably. I really don't care if someone says their kid is going to a D3 on a fat scholarship package to play a sport. No one is lying about getting lots of aid when secretly they're paying full freight.

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Anonymous wrote:Look D# is incredibly bad Inermural athetheletes at most D1 schools would crush those at D3 schools!

Intermural beats D3? lol. A top D3 in most sports is full of kids that could have played mid/low D1 but preferred to balance sports with an education.

Not intramural, but an SEC or ACC club team in say baseball could legitimately maybe win the D3 national championships. Not to say they would…but would be in the conversation. I would imagine Lynchburg and Salisbury (winners or D3 finalists the last several years) probably get their fair share of near D1 talent.

The UNC club baseball team also has kids that could have played D1 at other schools but either didn’t want a less academic D1 or didn’t want to have a 60 hour per week job of playing baseball and the crazy travel schedule.

The UNC club team would likely beat nearly every academic D3 in the NESCAC considering I know plenty of low 80s kids recruited to those schools because yes you need the grades and scores for those schools. Emory or JHU likely a different matter.

Agree with this, my kid plays on a club team that absolutely destroyed D3 teams when they played them. The team does win club national championships. The club team practices and plays as much or more than most D3 teams (all year play)

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With only a very few exceptions, the only full ride D1 athletic scholarships (for males at least) are for football and basketball. All others are partials. Half if lucky, but more likely 1/3 or 1/4. That makes the D3 full scholarship boast even more absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

There is no D3 money. My father was a D1 coach for 22 years and my FIL was Chief of Admissions at a highly selective university. But keep telling yourself your loser kid is great.

Well, since you obviously used family connections to wedge your benchwarmer kid into a D1 slot he would not otherwise have earned on his own merit, I see now why you don’t understand how D3 merit aid works for kids who are top recruits. Your posts make a lot more sense now.

For kids who are actually good, there is a lot of money available, enough to make the schools cheaper than in-state public.

NP. Read through this thread, and this person just seems so nasty. Just because the other poster calls their statement false (which is annoying as it was their experience), they then attack the other poster's kid repeatedly. I get you being annoyed, but that just is an ugly look for you.

I think it must be true, though. That PP has been all over this thread claiming that anyone whose athlete kid got good merit aid at a D3 is lying, and that their kids are losers. She is almost hysterical in how hard she is lashing out at posters who report that their kids got very good merit aid offers, particularly cheaper than in-state tuition. Meanwhile, that PPs child is the grandchild of a longtime D1 coach and selective head of admissions. So, she doesn’t know anything about D3 athletic merit aid, even though she says her kid tried to get it (but failed), but somehow her kid ended up playing D1? There is only one rational conclusion here.

Holy. F**king. Sh*t. There is no such thing.

LOL. “Athletic merit aid.” No, this isn’t a thing. Coaches at opposing schools would absolutely pounce on schools trying to get around rules for D3 sports by going “athletic merit aid.”

I got a full scholarship to a D3 LAC. Weirdly, I also a letter from the coach of my HS sport (whom I had never met or spoken to) thanking me for “committing to the team.” I never answered the coach, never played the sport, and my scholarship was not affected.

And yet that’s obviously WHY they gave you the merit aid. In your case it was a gamble that didn’t pay off for them in any way. The fact that you can so clearly lay out the facts of what happened and yet still not “get it” proves that you were otherwise unworthy of “merit” aid.

Hold up. Now we have lunatics posting that schools will risk entire athletic programs and massive fines [/i]on a gamble? You think they'll offer a full scholarship, in complete violation of all NCAA rules and regulations,.... because a guy....might play?

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Agree. Had quite a chuckle at that post.

You guys are hopelessly naive. The scholarships are officially for merit, and as a PP laid out, they are unaffected if the student decides not to go for the sport. So what exactly are these schools risking, other than potentially throwing away some merit aid to doofuses like that PP for zero return on investment? They’re not breaking any rules, and there is no way to prove that they’re trying to recruit athletes on the sly.

It’s like loopholes for taxes. Everything is in bounds from a legal standpoint even though we all (those of us with functioning brains in our heads) know what is really going on.

They’re giving merit aid to virtually everyone. And calling it merit aid. Why do you keep insisting it’s an athletic scholarship?

Because his kid is a loser who couldn't secure an [i]actual athletic scholarship to a real school so he invented this pretend one so he could tell people his loser kid got a "full ride" to Gettysburg to pitch.

See I don’t think it’s that. I bet his/her kid is awesome. The poster is the one with the problem. Needing to make it out to be something that it isn’t. Can you imagine having a parent like that? Poor kid.

To be clear, the 'D3 schools give top secret sports scholarships under the guise of merit aid' morons believe the 12k aid package they gave their kid (and to literally every other warm body that was stupid enough to enroll at a dying school like Gettysburg) actually is for their 'athletic prowess'. Hell, maybe even the coaches phrase it such that big daddy walks away thinking junior is the next Bo Jackson. But, we all know it's not.

Sad, really.

What's sad, really, is how invested you are in the plights of people and kids you do not know. Truly so.

I feel for your kids as well as the people in your universe who are exposed to your insecurity masquerading as bravado and superiority.