NYT story: Trump administration could strike abortion almost immediately using Comstock law

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to go ahead and guess that the bodily rights of the unborn babies (i.e., the right to actually keep their body) are not going to be given much consideration in this thread.

What about my bodily right not to have an unwanted parasite growing inside me and distorting my body causing me extreme discomfort and, possibly, ends getting my life?

DP
I am 100% pro choice (and pro euthanasia as well). However I do think that people who use abortion as a method of birth control are pretty disgusting.

Unless you’re talking about rape, we all know that you can get pregnant when you have sex. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. If you don’t want an unwanted parasite growing inside you, why are you precipitating in activities that could potentially put one there?

You’ll be glad to know this doesn’t happen, so your reservation has been cared for.

Really? Every woman who gets an abortion has been forcibly impregnated? No one has ever had unprotected sex, gotten pregnant, then aborted the baby they didn’t want?

Man you really do learn something new every day.

If you don’t believe in abortion don’t have one. How does someone else’s choice personally impact you? Be thankful if you have never been the victim of child sexual abuse. Be thankful if you have never found yourself in an abusive relationship. Be thankful if you grew up in a stable home with two loving, involved parents or even one. Until you walk in someone else’s shoes, you don’t know what choices you might make.

Elective abortion is the most common obstetric surgical procedure in the United States.

Proof? You and Donald only lie when you open your mouths!

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to go ahead and guess that the bodily rights of the unborn babies (i.e., the right to actually keep their body) are not going to be given much consideration in this thread.

What about my bodily right not to have an unwanted parasite growing inside me and distorting my body causing me extreme discomfort and, possibly, ends getting my life?

DP
I am 100% pro choice (and pro euthanasia as well). However I do think that people who use abortion as a method of birth control are pretty disgusting.

Unless you’re talking about rape, we all know that you can get pregnant when you have sex. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. If you don’t want an unwanted parasite growing inside you, why are you precipitating in activities that could potentially put one there?

You’ll be glad to know this doesn’t happen, so your reservation has been cared for.

Really? Every woman who gets an abortion has been forcibly impregnated? No one has ever had unprotected sex, gotten pregnant, then aborted the baby they didn’t want?

Man you really do learn something new every day.

Hey do you know birth control (ALL forms of birth control) can fail, even if used perfectly?

You’re proving my point. The only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. When you have sex with birth control, and still get pregnant, you are using an abortion as a form of birth control.

Again, I’m pro choice. But having an abortion as a method of birth control is disgusting.

That's your religious clap trap belief but not mine.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to go ahead and guess that the bodily rights of the unborn babies (i.e., the right to actually keep their body) are not going to be given much consideration in this thread.

What about my bodily right not to have an unwanted parasite growing inside me and distorting my body causing me extreme discomfort and, possibly, ends getting my life?

DP
I am 100% pro choice (and pro euthanasia as well). However I do think that people who use abortion as a method of birth control are pretty disgusting.

Unless you’re talking about rape, we all know that you can get pregnant when you have sex. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. If you don’t want an unwanted parasite growing inside you, why are you precipitating in activities that could potentially put one there?

You’ll be glad to know this doesn’t happen, so your reservation has been cared for.

Really? Every woman who gets an abortion has been forcibly impregnated? No one has ever had unprotected sex, gotten pregnant, then aborted the baby they didn’t want?

Man you really do learn something new every day.

Hey do you know birth control (ALL forms of birth control) can fail, even if used perfectly?

You’re proving my point. The only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. When you have sex with birth control, and still get pregnant, you are using an abortion as a form of birth control.

Again, I’m pro choice. But having an abortion as a method of birth control is disgusting.

That's your religious clap trap belief but not mine.

Ok. I still think you’re disgusting. But I support your right to be disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to go ahead and guess that the bodily rights of the unborn babies (i.e., the right to actually keep their body) are not going to be given much consideration in this thread.

What about my bodily right not to have an unwanted parasite growing inside me and distorting my body causing me extreme discomfort and, possibly, ends getting my life?

DP
I am 100% pro choice (and pro euthanasia as well). However I do think that people who use abortion as a method of birth control are pretty disgusting.

Unless you’re talking about rape, we all know that you can get pregnant when you have sex. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. If you don’t want an unwanted parasite growing inside you, why are you precipitating in activities that could potentially put one there?

You’ll be glad to know this doesn’t happen, so your reservation has been cared for.

Really? Every woman who gets an abortion has been forcibly impregnated? No one has ever had unprotected sex, gotten pregnant, then aborted the baby they didn’t want?

Man you really do learn something new every day.

If you don’t believe in abortion don’t have one. How does someone else’s choice personally impact you? Be thankful if you have never been the victim of child sexual abuse. Be thankful if you have never found yourself in an abusive relationship. Be thankful if you grew up in a stable home with two loving, involved parents or even one. Until you walk in someone else’s shoes, you don’t know what choices you might make.

Elective abortion is the most common obstetric surgical procedure in the United States.

Proof? You and Donald only lie when you open your mouths!

Elective abortion is the most common obstetric surgical procedure in the United States, and although “safe,” it is associated with significant complications and liability.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/elective-abortion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

As a woman of childbearing age who has 2 young DDs and also had to terminate an ectopic pregnancy, any laws that restrict access to potentially life-saving medical care for myself or (in the future) my 2 girls absolutely DO concern me. Laws that have the potential to reduce the number of practicing OBGYNs concern me. Laws that may reduce the ability of doctors to lean techniques like D&Cs (used for abortion, but also used to treat miscarriage and other common ailments) concern me. These same people who want to restrict abortion are also coming after birth control and IVF, which concerns me. One of my DDs was conceived via IVF. They're targeting "abortion" drugs like methotrexate, which saved my life and allowed me to avoid a potentially sterilizing surgical procedure when I had my ectopic, and is also used to treat a variety of conditions NOT related to pregnancy.

These extreme anti-abortion laws have ramifications above and beyond punishing women for sex.

Are you the poster who is moving to Canada to ensure that her daughters can abort her grandchildren with ease?

This thread like all others on dcum concerning abortion has the following characteristics:

-multiple posters claiming an unborn baby isn’t human
-multiple posters claiming an unborn baby isn’t alive
- multiple posters ignoring the fact they that the majority (98%) of abortions performed in the US are elective
-multiple posters with detail free anecdotes about themselves or friends
-a 10 year old child who was repeatedly raped by her mom’s boyfriend. The child’s mother knew about her daughter’s rape and the resulting pregnancy of her daughter by her pedo rapist boyfriend, and didn’t try to protect her daughter or have her rapist pedo boyfriend arrested.

This is the characteristic you are missing. Many many millions of voters are going to the polls to elect candidates that will begin the process of ridding us of your forced birther agenda. Women's reproductive rights will be returned.

Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United States Increased in 2023

Updated on May 10, 2024
New findings from the Monthly Abortion Provision Study show that an estimated 1,037,000 abortions occurred in the formal health care system in 2023, the first full calendar year after the US Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization overturned Roe v. Wade. This represents a rate of 15.9 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age,* and is a 11% increase since 2020, the last year for which comprehensive estimates are available. It is also the highest number and rate measured in the United States in over a decade.
This increase demonstrates that people continue to seek and obtain abortion care despite the drastic reduction in abortion access in many states. Since the Dobbs decision, in 2022.

https://www.guttmacher.org/2024/03/despite-bans-number-abortions-united-states-increased-2023

How do you explain this?

It is easy to explain. Reproductive decisions belong to the women. Even trying to outlaw abortion will never change that fact. Our laws should reflect that reality.

That doesn’t explain why abortion rates have gone higher despite people claiming reproductive rights have been taken away and abortions are harder or impossible to get for women.

This is the ignorance of the forced birthers. Abortion bans discourage pregnancy and birth. They do not encourage it. They bring much increased anxiety and danger to an already frought process.

Abortion bans have had the consequence of increasing infant mortality in TX over the last 2 years, as well. All those pregnancies with fatal fetal conditions that could not legally be aborted turned into babies that instead died shortly after birth, causing ubtold physical, emotional, and financial harm to their families.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/analysis-suggests-2021-texas-abortion-ban-resulted-in-increase-in-infant-deaths-in-state-in-year-after-law-went-into-effect

Analysis Suggests 2021 Texas Abortion Ban Resulted in Increase in Infant Deaths in State in Year After Law Went into Effect

Researchers use statistical modeling to estimate infant deaths expected if one of the country’s most stringent state abortion laws had not been enacted.

Yes, it is an estimate because no one knows with certainty that those families would have all chosen to terminate, instead. However, that CHOICE was taken away from them.
I've known four such situations within a small circle of my family and friends. 3 chose to terminate once it became obvious that there was no hope for more than a few hours of life. One chose to carry the pregnancy as far as possible. Baby was delivered several weeks early, comfort care provided by the hospital, and baby died after about an hour. But, the point is, my family member and friends all had that choice. Families in TX did not.

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications).

It is not fully formed life and cannot exist independent of the parent.

If a child needs a heart transplant to live and the mother is a perfect match, should the mother kill themself to donate their heart? If she is resistant to this, should we legally force her to donate it even though it will kill her?

Same concept

Your argument is flawed; a mom can’t donate her adult sized heart to her sick child.

Children who need organ transplants need child sized organs.

Do no harm means no doctor is going to kill a mother to take her adult sized and thus useless to her sick child heart.

Oh honey, you do understand it's not happening because it's illegal to do that.... They can just as easily make it illegal to refuse organ donation to your children or blood transfusions

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to go ahead and guess that the bodily rights of the unborn babies (i.e., the right to actually keep their body) are not going to be given much consideration in this thread.

What about my bodily right not to have an unwanted parasite growing inside me and distorting my body causing me extreme discomfort and, possibly, ends getting my life?

DP
I am 100% pro choice (and pro euthanasia as well). However I do think that people who use abortion as a method of birth control are pretty disgusting.

Unless you’re talking about rape, we all know that you can get pregnant when you have sex. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. If you don’t want an unwanted parasite growing inside you, why are you precipitating in activities that could potentially put one there?

You’ll be glad to know this doesn’t happen, so your reservation has been cared for.

Really? Every woman who gets an abortion has been forcibly impregnated? No one has ever had unprotected sex, gotten pregnant, then aborted the baby they didn’t want?

Man you really do learn something new every day.

If you don’t believe in abortion don’t have one. How does someone else’s choice personally impact you? Be thankful if you have never been the victim of child sexual abuse. Be thankful if you have never found yourself in an abusive relationship. Be thankful if you grew up in a stable home with two loving, involved parents or even one. Until you walk in someone else’s shoes, you don’t know what choices you might make.

Elective abortion is the most common obstetric surgical procedure in the United States.

Proof? You and Donald only lie when you open your mouths!

Elective abortion is the most common obstetric surgical procedure in the United States, and although “safe,” it is associated with significant complications and liability.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/elective-abortion

Elective abortion also includes abortions for fetal conditions not compatible with life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

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These extreme anti-abortion laws have ramifications above and beyond punishing women for sex.

Yes, and now they’ve moved into punishing women for their mere existence.

Women aren’t people in the GOP. You can see this in the posts of the forced birthers.

Nobody wants any woman to give birth if she doesn’t want to do so. Many people also do not want an innocent baby to be killed. Both mom and baby matter.

The mother matters more because she is here in this world and is the one who would need to do the unpaid, potentially dangerous labor and donate her body to get the fetus to a state of personhood. So the mother is the one who gets to say if she is willing to do that, not the government.

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications).

It is not fully formed life and cannot exist independent of the parent.

If a child needs a heart transplant to live and the mother is a perfect match, should the mother kill themself to donate their heart? If she is resistant to this, should we legally force her to donate it even though it will kill her?

Same concept

Your argument is flawed; a mom can’t donate her adult sized heart to her sick child.

Children who need organ transplants need child sized organs.

Do no harm means no doctor is going to kill a mother to take her adult sized and thus useless to her sick child heart.

Oh honey, you do understand it's not happening because it's illegal to do that.... They can just as easily make it illegal to refuse organ donation to your children or blood transfusions

You are intellectually dishonest and have no good faith or reality based argument whatsoever for your comments.

You are delusional if you think any of the scenarios you are making up are based in reality. They aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

What any other woman decides is none of my or your business.

Elective abortion is choosing to kill an unborn child. There is no medical reason to kill a healthy unborn baby, and my tax dollars are used against my will to fund Planned Parenthood.

And you would have the state force a woman to use her body against her will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

[…]

These extreme anti-abortion laws have ramifications above and beyond punishing women for sex.

Yes, and now they’ve moved into punishing women for their mere existence.

Women aren’t people in the GOP. You can see this in the posts of the forced birthers.

Nobody wants any woman to give birth if she doesn’t want to do so. Many people also do not want an innocent baby to be killed. Both mom and baby matter.

The mother matters more because she is here in this world and is the one who would need to do the unpaid, potentially dangerous labor and donate her body to get the fetus to a state of personhood. So the mother is the one who gets to say if she is willing to do that, not the government.

Where are women paid to become pregnant? Where are pregnant women included in labor rights legislation and regulations?
Women don’t donate their time and bodies to pregnancy. It’s a natural and biologically occurring process. Are you ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications).

It is not fully formed life and cannot exist independent of the parent.

If a child needs a heart transplant to live and the mother is a perfect match, should the mother kill themself to donate their heart? If she is resistant to this, should we legally force her to donate it even though it will kill her?

Same concept

Your argument is flawed; a mom can’t donate her adult sized heart to her sick child.

Children who need organ transplants need child sized organs.

Do no harm means no doctor is going to kill a mother to take her adult sized and thus useless to her sick child heart.

You sre deflecting. And yes, this situation could occur with a teenage child.

Answer the question

No; your situation is not something that could happen. There is a zero percent chance of your made up scenario occurring in the US health care and hospital system.

My spouse received a kidney transplant 6 years ago. You are just making up scenarios that have no basis in reality.

You are deflecting. Make it a kidney transplant and the mother only has one kidney. Her teen child needs one, should the mother be forced to donate her second to save the life of her child?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

[…]

These extreme anti-abortion laws have ramifications above and beyond punishing women for sex.

Yes, and now they’ve moved into punishing women for their mere existence.

Women aren’t people in the GOP. You can see this in the posts of the forced birthers.

Nobody wants any woman to give birth if she doesn’t want to do so. Many people also do not want an innocent baby to be killed. Both mom and baby matter.

The idea that an abortion is murder is a minority and wrong view. If you believe it, then don't have an abortion. That is your right and it will be respected. When you try to force that view on others, you are going to face enormous resistance as you should.

How do you define killing a healthy unborn baby?

I favor the protections of roe. I don't believe that a fetus is equivalent to a baby.

A fetus is an unborn baby who is developing in his or her mom’s womb like every person on earth did.

Again, you should make decisions for yourself based on your beliefs.

My tax dollars are being used to fund abortion.

If that's true, you could sue. Have you?

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

What any other woman decides is none of my or your business.

Elective abortion is choosing to kill an unborn child. There is no medical reason to kill a healthy unborn baby, and my tax dollars are used against my will to fund Planned Parenthood.

And you would have the state force a woman to use her body against her will.

The state isn’t forcing a woman to have sex. A woman’s body does not conceive a baby because of the state, pregnancy is a natural process that the state has no control over.