NYT story: Trump administration could strike abortion almost immediately using Comstock law

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

Pregnancy is the term used to describe the period in which a fetus develops inside a woman's womb or uterus.

Work is to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary.

Do women get paid for pregnancy? No. It’s a process a woman’s body goes through.

Do women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy?

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

Pregnancy is the term used to describe the period in which a fetus develops inside a woman's womb or uterus.

Work is to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary.

Do women get paid for pregnancy? No. It’s a process a woman’s body goes through.

Do women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy?

That 10 year old just wasn't thinking logically enough during the rape.

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Anonymous wrote:As the usable responses began to come in, I found that 5,337 biologists (96%) affirmed that a human’s life begins at fertilization, with 240 (4%) rejecting that view. The majority of the sample identified as liberal (89%), pro-choice (85%) and non-religious (63%). In the case of Americans who expressed party preference, the majority identified as Democrats (92%).

https://quillette.com/2019/10/16/i-asked-thousands-of-biologists-when-life-begins-the-answer-wasnt-popular/

The question is not when human (or any other life resulting from sexual reproduction) begins. It is when the state has an interest in that particular life that supersedes all else, which is related to the moral status attributed to the fertilized egg, its implantation, or subsequent stage of development.
If the moral status of the fertilized egg is the same as that of a living person once birth has taken place, then society and the state have the same interest in that egg it does in a living person. Keep in mind that the time at which the existence of a pregnancy can be known has extended earlier and earlier as science has advanced--hence the older common law (enacted as statute in the US as early as 1821) that permitted abortion (i.e. methods to induce uterine bleeding) before quickening. Many years ago I was at a craft/farmer's fair in North Dakota with my mother, who bought a copy of the memoir of a woman who had been born on a 19th century homestead and was still living at the time (I think about 1980). She made repeated references to the pot of tansy tea that was often on the back of the woodstove as she grew up. Guess what that was used for (although she did not state in so many words, she alluded to the purpose). I knew a woman in college in the 1970s who used pennyroyal as a method of birth control.

Currently, the state (ie government, in any state or territory of the United States) intervenes in pregnancy in, most often, two situations: by means of whatever laws are in force in a state when a woman presents to medical professionals and is found to be pregnant. Regardless off the stage or medical status of the pregnancy, medical decisions are bound at least in part by the laws governing medical practice with regard to pregnancy. In many states, if she is miscarrying and miscarriage cannot be further prevented but a heartbeat can be detected, no steps can be taken. She will typically not require medical treatment and will be sent home. Or, if she is found to be pregnant AND also has illegal drugs in her system, particularly opiates, it is possible she can be involuntarily committed for drug treatment under the law. She won't be sent to prison, but she will be in legally the custody of the state in a secure facility of its choosing.

Back in the 1990s, also in North Dakota, there was a woman-pregnant-who was repeatedly arrested for sniffing aerosol paint. She was committed to the state hospital. She wanted an abortion. INitially the state refused to allow for arrangements to be made for her to have an abortion (this was before medication abortions) at the only abortion clinic in the state. Pro-life groups organized demanding to be allowed to intervene in the ensuing legal action brought on her behalf, offering her $10,000 to let them have her baby. Eventually she was permitted to undergo the abortion she wanted by way of a court order. Otherwise she would indeed have been forced to continue the pregnancy until birth (or fetal demise, if that were to happen). Now, she would indeed be forced to continue the pregnancy and give birth.

So, let's suppose a woman is brought to the ER and is legally committed for mental health or substance abuse treatment because of her presenting conditions. Suppose further that medical technology has reached the point where the presence of a fertilized egg-even before implantation--can be detected, and moreover suppose that the current law requires any woman (or, these days, person with a uterus) be screened for the presence of a fertilized egg, and that now, instead of a "detectable heartbeat" being the legal criteria for outlawing abortion, now it is the presence of said fertilized egg.

Let's suppose that in any medical encounter, screening for the existence of a possible fertilized egg, or any other state of conception and pregnancy, is now required. If the screening is non-invasive it can certainly be done without a court order in place (warrants are required for BAC blood draws is consent is withheld, not for breathalyzers).

Let's suppose that, after the model of Texas, the particular state now has a statute allowing ANYBODY to bring an action in court to determine the pregnancy status of a particular person with a uterus.

Let's suppose that laws now define a fertilized egg not just as a human life, but a life entitled to the full force of the state for its protection with an exception to be made ONLY if the person carrying that egg or pregnancy is at the risk of imminent death or medical event resulting in permanent disability.

If you want to define a fertilized egg as a human life with the equal moral status of a living person who has been born, then you must accept the establishment of a state in which that egg, or any other status of pregnancy, is given the full protection of any other person. So, let's look at the status of a child. If the state determines that a child is at sufficient risk remaining in the care of a parent, the state takes custody of that child. The child doesn't even have to actually suffer injury, only to be at sufficient risk. So we must give the state the same degree of power over that fertilized egg or developing pregnancy. Which means that if the state determines that egg, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus to be at sufficient risk while remaining inside the uterus, the state gets to take legal custody of that entity to prevent the foreseeable harm.

This is the end result of a rigid definition of individual human, legally protected life beginning with fertilization.

Dayum

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

Pregnancy is the term used to describe the period in which a fetus develops inside a woman's womb or uterus.

Work is to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary.

Do women get paid for pregnancy? No. It’s a process a woman’s body goes through.

Do women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy?

What the actual heck. That's only one definition of the word, and you think closing your eyes to language makes it not exist?

Is chopping wood for your own house doing work?
Is doing dishes work?

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Call it whatever you want. Human life, unborn baby, fetus, embryo - it should be the woman’s choice to end a pregnancy. However, I do think that once a woman is in her third trimester and the baby can technically breathe on its own, abortion should be discouraged (assuming both mother and baby are and will continue to be healthy) but not necessarily illegal.

I’ve personally had an abortion (at 5 weeks) after undergoing years of infertility and two successful and healthy births due to IVF. I’ve also had miscarriages from IVF. I don’t regret my decision to have an abortion at all. I didn’t want a third child (and due to my infertility, I didn’t think I could get pregnant naturally).

Let women decide what’s best for them.

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

Pregnancy is the term used to describe the period in which a fetus develops inside a woman's womb or uterus.

Work is to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary.

Do women get paid for pregnancy? No. It’s a process a woman’s body goes through.

Do women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy?

What the actual heck. That's only one definition of the word, and you think closing your eyes to language makes it not exist?

Is chopping wood for your own house doing work?
Is doing dishes work?

Pregnancy is a biological process.

Other biological processes: movement, respiration, sensitivity, growth,
reproduction, excretion, and nutrition.

All living things move.
All living things need nutrition.
All living things grow.
All living things use excretion to rid themselves of waste.
All living things are sensitive to stimulus around them.
All living things have the capacity to reproduce.

Being pregnant is a biological process.
No one is making a sperm and egg meet inside your body. What happens after that is a biological process, called pregnancy. The GOP doesn’t control biological processes.

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You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs in women and girls. It is not forced work.

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Anonymous wrote:You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs in women and girls. It is not forced work.

Are you using an English dictionary to try to translate for you? Get a colloquial text translator, god.

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

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As anyone who has been pregnant knows, pregnancy is a huge physical, emotional, and financial burden with real, significant health risks.

There are a millions reasons why a woman (or child) may not want to continue the pregnancy. They should not be forced to continue and give birth if they aren’t willing/able to do so.

It takes a true sadist to force a woman to give birth against her will.

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Anonymous wrote:There really is a lot of nuance here. I am 100% pro-choice. But I think using abortion as a method of birth control is simply disgusting. Unfortunately, there’s too much nuance to write it into the law. People will say “only if it’s medically necessary” and then they’ll be 10,000 reasons why something is medically necessary, or 10,000 reasons why it is not medically necessary. Unfortunately the only option is to make 100% legal in any case. Because you end up punishing the people who really need it if you try to put conditions on it.

I continue to be pro choice (and always will), but people who about babies simply because they don’t want them are disgusting to me.

Are you a woman who knows firsthand the consequences of pregnancy on your body both during and after pregnancy?

Let’s say you have just received the opportunity of a lifetime, something that would lead to all sorts of fantastic things for you and your family, you already have 3 kids who are all in school, you are 42 years old with a history of difficult pregnancies, and then your husband’s vasectomy fails and you find yourself accidentally pregnant which would derail your excellent once-in-a lifetime opportunity. You think it’s disgusting for a woman in such a situation to decide at 6 weeks to take medication to end that pregnancy?

The “simply because they don’t want them” is such a disingenuous argument. Easy to make when you have no f’n clue what a woman or girl might be facing.

Hahahahahaha. I have two children. Had very difficult pregnancies. So please, spare me your “you have no idea what you’re talking about” BS.

Yes. I 100% think it’s disgusting. I would personally never do that. I had sex. I got pregnant. I would have the baby.

My husband and I did many other things besides PIV sex to assure that I didn’t get pregnant when I didn’t want to. Is it easy? Not really. But we did it. We made it fun. No regrets.

How tiresome and self righteous you are.

That is what is disgusting.

I mean we’re all entitled to our opinions. You think I’m disgusting because I never had an abortion. I think people who have had abortions simply because they don’t want a baby are disgusting.

Really, in the grand scheme of things, neither of our opinions make a difference. We both want the right to choose.

Again, that's not what is disgusting. Your blind judgment is disgusting. I have never had an abortion either -- but all my closest circle of friends have.

Many of your friends have as well, but I imagine they keep that from you.

Mind your own reproductive decisions.

And get TF out of my vagina.

Nobody cares about your vagina. The baby you don’t care about is your own son or daughter, and has no one to care for him or her. Birth control is your vagina’s bff. Society doesn’t have the unlimited capacity to deal with your unwanted children or unlimited taxpayer money to pay for your abortions.

An embryo is not a baby. Birth control fails. Taxpayers do not pay for abortions.

Pregnancy poses potential danger for everyone who goes through it. Every pregnancy can have lifetime negative effects on the mother’s body. That is why it is up to her to decide if she is willing to go through a process that might kill her or hurt her body or cause psychological harm due to hormones out of whack.

An embryo is a baby. It’s a stage of development that every baby goes through. We all go through stages of life.

Planned Parenthood receives taxpayer dollars. Money is fungible the taxpayer dollars are used to pay for things so PP has more money to do abortions. We all know this.

Pregnancy is a natural process that occurs in a woman’s body. It is not a disease. Women can prevent pregnancy. Birth control is more effective and reliable now, but abortions are increasing. With the reliable birth control available, abortion should be decreasing.

Cancer is also a “natural” process. Club feet are also the result of a “natural” process. Molar pregnancy is also “natural.”

Pregnancy was the number one killer of women before the advent of modern medicine. Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.

Cancer is a disease. Club feet are a birth defect. Molar pregnancy is a tumor.

Pregnancy is not a disease, a defect, or a tumor.

The vast majority of women are capable of becoming pregnant through sexual intercourse. If they do not want to become pregnant, there are many forms of birth control available that will prevent pregnancy.

There are not reliable, effective, readily available preventative methods to prevent cancer, club feet, or molar pregnancy.

And birth control often fails.

That does not mean that pregnancy is one of the most dangerous processes a girl or woman can go through. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it can’t kill or maim a person. And it is literally work. That’s why it has to be freely accepted by the person who agrees to go through it.

Pregnancy is the term used to describe the period in which a fetus develops inside a woman's womb or uterus.

Work is to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary.

Do women get paid for pregnancy? No. It’s a process a woman’s body goes through.

Do women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy?

What the actual heck. That's only one definition of the word, and you think closing your eyes to language makes it not exist?

Is chopping wood for your own house doing work?
Is doing dishes work?

Pregnancy is a biological process.

Other biological processes: movement, respiration, sensitivity, growth,
reproduction, excretion, and nutrition.

All living things move.
All living things need nutrition.
All living things grow.
All living things use excretion to rid themselves of waste.
All living things are sensitive to stimulus around them.
All living things have the capacity to reproduce.

Being pregnant is a biological process.
No one is making a sperm and egg meet inside your body. What happens after that is a biological process, called pregnancy. The GOP doesn’t control biological processes.

All of the bolded are false.

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Anonymous wrote:You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs in women and girls. It is not forced work.

Only someone who has never gone through gestating a pregnancy to term and pushing the product out of their body would say it is not work. It sure the hell is. My body has never fully recuperated from that labor after years.

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Use your English dictionary to look up "labor."

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Anonymous wrote:You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs in women and girls. It is not forced work.

Only someone who has never gone through gestating a pregnancy to term and pushing the product out of their body would say it is not work. It sure the hell is. My body has never fully recuperated from that labor after years.

They want to find out the hard way that 10-16 year olds who give birth tend to have more health issues.

My great grandmother found out the hard way at 13, when she got married.

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Anonymous wrote:You are an actual world salad now. Tighten it up, PP.

Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs in women and girls. It is not forced work.

Only someone who has never gone through gestating a pregnancy to term and pushing the product out of their body would say it is not work. It sure the hell is. My body has never fully recuperated from that labor after years.

They want to find out the hard way that 10-16 year olds who give birth tend to have more health issues.

My great grandmother found out the hard way at 13, when she got married.

Well, I happen to have it on good authority that it's beyond the pale that "women have sex and think they aren’t engaging in the activity that can produce pregnancy," so they should have been more careful. Doesn't matter if they are in 4th grade or even junior high. Walking uteruses should know better.

Maybe they can't legally consent to sex, but surely little girls have a way of shutting those things down.