White flight from MCPS

[Anonymous]

so what's the issue with white flight? is it that the school won't be "good" anymore b/c the whites are the best students? If that's your worry, then you want a school with mostly Asian Americans, right?

https://www.ranker.com/list/top-us-high-schools-with-most-asian-american-students/school-buddy

all these schools are considered very good, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:a classic "close the door behind you" kind of immigrants, very toxic...

Ya more like another anon-hater saying it's okay for them to make these ugly generalizations because they're from there too which seems unlikely. They'd be a lot more compassionate if they were...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

Singapore? I hope your kid doesn't turn out to be gay. Oof.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

Singapore? I hope your kid doesn't turn out to be gay. Oof.

Have… have you been paying attention at all to what is happening here? If Bethany Mandel and the rest of the crazy mothers for liberty have their way, we aren’t much better. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

DP...Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark,Switzerland, France...should I continue? The United States is absolutely not the best place in the world anymore....not by a long shot.

Oh, I get it. You prefer more homogeneous societies. Guess that mantra of ‘diversity is our greatest strength’ turns out to be just words. Huh.

And France, lol. That’s rich. France has just as many issues as we do here in the US. Maybe more.

Correlation vs causation. Are they safer because of all the white people? Most of the mass school shooters in the US have been white males. The difference is that it's much more easier to buy guns in the US than in those countries.

France has issues, as does every country, but they don't have several mass shooting incidents like we do in the US.

How can you be so blase about the incidence of mass shootings here? Do you even have kids in school? Do you think it's fine that our kids go through school shooting drills? I never had to go through such drills growing up. It's incredibly sad that our kids now do.

Are you asserting that non-white people are committing the most mass shootings in the U.S.? If so, you have to watch or read the news. Oh my God.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

Plan to live in Chile’s hinterland if you are looking for safety.

My SS was just in Chile for a multi-week business trip. Do you realize the capital is experiencing a huge uptick in crime? It is so bad that the US State Department moved Chile to “Level 2: Exercise Increased Caution”

While SS was there, they witnessed some form of violent crime every night the first week. The second week, they stopped going out at night. The remainder, they hired drivers and bodyguards. SS is AA, lives in Philly, and used to live in NOLA. He says Chile was scary and is dreading the return trip in four months.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how much of that is due to people who previously would have been counted as white, the principal of RMIB is a perfect example, who now identify as Latinx?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

Singapore? I hope your kid doesn't turn out to be gay. Oof.

Turn out to be? I thought you were gay from birth? Did you forget to study your progressive liberal handbook?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

Singapore? I hope your kid doesn't turn out to be gay. Oof.

Turn out to be? I thought you were gay from birth? Did you forget to study your progressive liberal handbook?

Nice try. "turn out to be" is different from "turn into".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

This is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Admitting immigrants in the past doesn't obligate us to do it now. Especially at the level we have now, where the Percentage Foreign Born is at record levels.

AKA "I got mine!"

That's what countries do. They decide what is beneficial to their citizens and pursue that policy. Apparently except for us. We are not obligated to take in anyone who wants to come here. I got mine between the 1660s and 1871. Our ancestors built our society and we should be able to benefit from that.

My ancestors thought your nineteenth century ancestors were a bunch of freeloading, @$#&@ papists. I have diaries.

They were, of course, xenophobes.

I bet they'd find it funny that someone with people who came here so recently thinks they had something to do with building this country.

I bring this up not because I believe it--I don't. I'm bringing it up because one of America's unique strengths is its ability to embrace different groups of people and give them opportunities to flourish.

Sadly, so many like you take the wrong lessons from that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uh Montgomery County used to be alot "whiter" why would the schools be any different?

If you look at the county demographic data this doesn't match. We still have plenty of white people living in MoCo. More of them are just opting to not send their children to MCPS.

We have old white people. They have no need for schools. The demographics of the population under 18 becomes less and less white every year. It’s not that white people are fleeing.

[Anonymous]

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I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

How would you do this? Just send an extra check to the county every year?

"Explore private high school" if you want. That's your choice.

-white person who lives in Ganglandia and is getting increasingly impatient with white people's apparent inability to get over ourselves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

This is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Admitting immigrants in the past doesn't obligate us to do it now. Especially at the level we have now, where the Percentage Foreign Born is at record levels.

AKA "I got mine!"

That's what countries do. They decide what is beneficial to their citizens and pursue that policy. Apparently except for us. We are not obligated to take in anyone who wants to come here. I got mine between the 1660s and 1871. Our ancestors built our society and we should be able to benefit from that.

My ancestors thought your nineteenth century ancestors were a bunch of freeloading, @$#&@ papists. I have diaries.

They were, of course, xenophobes.

I bet they'd find it funny that someone with people who came here so recently thinks they had something to do with building this country.

I bring this up not because I believe it--I don't. I'm bringing it up because one of America's unique strengths is its ability to embrace different groups of people and give them opportunities to flourish.

Sadly, so many like you take the wrong lessons from that.

DP

I agree with you to a certain extent.

FTR: I have ancestors who arrived with the very earliest settlers on one side and ancestors who arrived right around 1900 on the other side.

The part I think you might not appreciate is this: prior generations of immigrants embraced the American culture and quickly assimilated. Within one generation they were fully literate and either bilingual or were abandoning their native language; while they initially settled in ethnic enclaves, their goal was to move on to greener pastures to live among the more affluent and established; they took pride in being American. This isn’t the case at the moment. I think we are headed for a culture war on two fronts with Latinos and Muslims who will become the dominant culture. Hopefully I’m wrong.